Evening Toffees - May the best team win and all that

[maccavennie]

He was given a job he should never have been given and was found out and sacked. Simple as that.

 

[neville]

@neville

How about this for a theory:

The Glazers have never wanted to spend big (relative to the resources available to them) much preferring to minimise investment in the team whilst maximising the revenue they could take out of the club and continue to do so.

In SAF they had the perfect manager, loyal to the club, loyal to them, and able to extract the maximum out of the resources he had, resulting in far more silverware than perhaps the team on paper looked capable of winning.

As his retirement neared the Glazers look around and say we have two options - invest in a Mourinho type manager and have a large investment programme in the team to follow, or look around and see if anyone else looks capable of continuing the SAF modus operandi of extracting maximum results out of a limited squad.

SAF says that the only manager he is aware of who is capable of such a strategy is Moyes, afterall look at his "success" at Everton on a very limited budget.

Hence Moyes is brought in do what he did at Everton, only this time the playing squad are unable or unwilling to respond in the manner Moyes' former players at Everton did.

Result - disastrous season, player un-rest amongst the established names and the Glazers have nowhere to turn to other than to fire Moyes. Their "go cheap" strategy (on a relative basis) back fires spectacularly.

This is why I have some sympathy for Moyes, although a man of his experience should have realised what the game was. Maybe he never considered the above, he might have been blown away with the idea of managing United and building a dynasty like Ferguson had before him, his behaviour suggests this is the case. Only problem was that the owners promises were empty, and once they realised he could not deliver they needed to get rid - afterall they need success to continue paying themselves 20 million a year to own a club they don't invest in....

Spot on that mate

 

[Goat]

Spot on that mate

I disagree, as much as you would like to blame The Glaziers he gave Moyes an open cheque book in both windows.

 

[toffeejack]

Relief

It was the right decision

I qualify that statement that some of the shithouse players need to go the same way

We supported Moyes but it eventually became apparent that he wasn't up to it

Louis van Gaal seems like he may be a good choice. I heard that he wont take any [Poor language removed] off the players is into proper youth programmes and its his way or no way its what we need

Do know much about him TBH anyone rate him Dutch Toffee ?

Giggs as interim is a sound move

do you have many highly rated youth players mate?

 

[Woolly Blue]

@neville

How about this for a theory:

The Glazers have never wanted to spend big (relative to the resources available to them) much preferring to minimise investment in the team whilst maximising the revenue they could take out of the club and continue to do so.

In SAF they had the perfect manager, loyal to the club, loyal to them, and able to extract the maximum out of the resources he had, resulting in far more silverware than perhaps the team on paper looked capable of winning.

As his retirement neared the Glazers look around and say we have two options - invest in a Mourinho type manager and have a large investment programme in the team to follow, or look around and see if anyone else looks capable of continuing the SAF modus operandi of extracting maximum results out of a limited squad.

SAF says that the only manager he is aware of who is capable of such a strategy is Moyes, afterall look at his "success" at Everton on a very limited budget.

Hence Moyes is brought in do what he did at Everton, only this time the playing squad are unable or unwilling to respond in the manner Moyes' former players at Everton did.

Result - disastrous season, player un-rest amongst the established names and the Glazers have nowhere to turn to other than to fire Moyes. Their "go cheap" strategy (on a relative basis) back fires spectacularly.

This is why I have some sympathy for Moyes, although a man of his experience should have realised what the game was. Maybe he never considered the above, he might have been blown away with the idea of managing United and building a dynasty like Ferguson had before him, his behaviour suggests this is the case. Only problem was that the owners promises were empty, and once they realised he could not deliver they needed to get rid - afterall they need success to continue paying themselves 20 million a year to own a club they don't invest in....

Probably some truth in that but it would mean that the Glazers are a bit thick.

Moyes' players at Everton were loyal because, on the whole, he brought them into the club from relative obscurity or from somewhere where they were out of favour ( Howard, Baines, Jagielka, Arteta, Jelavic etc ).

Expecting him to be able to deal with players who were already winners and splash large amounts of cash on proven top players was a big ask and SAF, who knows Moyes and his psyche very well, should have known that. Fergie has as much to answer for as the Glazers ( parasites though they are ).

 

[PITA]

Where on earth did singing in your Liverpool slums come from?? Also as I pointed out I am a blue through and through but am not blinded by hypocrisy.

I read that as a reference to United fans singing '"in your Liverpool slums".