EURO 2020 - England Squad

[Billy Dean]

Are people not putting Jordan Henderson in their teams on the basis he’s the Liverpool captain?

No, because he’s awful

 

[Billy Dean]

Declan Rice only turned 21 in Jan...very highly rated by the media (yes i know!), West Ham fans seem to love him and hes got in the England side with 7 caps already.

Now im not sure if hes going to be any good...but in a similar way to Henderson couldnt he simply be a stable consistent 7/10 player (like his whoscored rating) with alot of upside?

Havent seen him a great deal...but not sure why he gets so much stick?

Watch the qualifier against Czech Republic to see what a midfield of Rice and Henderson looks like

 

[duncs pigeon]

No, because he’s awful

He's not an awful player though mate. He's a good premiership player, never be world class but wont let you down.

 

[Billy Dean]

He's not an awful player though mate. He's a good premiership player, never be world class but wont let you down.

He's let England down countless times. Woeful at international level.

 

[AdamEFC]

No, because he’s awful

He’s not though, he’s by far better than the likes of Rice and Winks who people are suggesting.

 

[Billy Dean]

He’s not though, he’s by far better than the likes of Rice and Winks who people are suggesting.

He is mate. Winks is better.

 

[AdamEFC]

He is mate. Winks is better.

He’s really not, he’s been one of Liverpool’s best players this season, their dip in form also coincided with him getting injured.

 

[Zatara]

Watch the qualifier against Czech Republic to see what a midfield of Rice and Henderson looks like

Im not saying about that combo...just Rice.

Just turned 21, 7 caps...7/10 for the season on whoscored...

Seems like hes praised by West Ham fans and the media like him.

At 20-21 being a solid 7/10 player is pretty decent isnt it?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Declan Rice only turned 21 in Jan...very highly rated by the media (yes i know!), West Ham fans seem to love him and hes got in the England side with 7 caps already.

Now im not sure if hes going to be any good...but in a similar way to Henderson couldnt he simply be a stable consistent 7/10 player (like his whoscored rating) with alot of upside?

Havent seen him a great deal...but not sure why he gets so much stick?

Rice can't use the ball. It's always going to limit what he can do. If he were good enough to be the lone defensive player in the side he might be able to get away with it but he isn't yet.

He gets stick because he was anointed despite never actually being that good. He's got the potential to be Henderson (good but not great) but he could also be Jack Rodwell if he makes the wrong choices.

 

[Billy Dean]

He’s really not, he’s been one of Liverpool’s best players this season, their dip in form also coincided with him getting injured.

To be fair Klopp seems to have found a role for him that negates his weaknesses, but for England he's been nothing but useless. He's plays a bit further forward for Liverpool right? Like a sort of No.8?

 

[Billy Dean]

Im not saying about that combo...just Rice.

Just turned 21, 7 caps...7/10 for the season on whoscored...

Seems like hes praised by West Ham fans and the media like him.

At 20-21 being a solid 7/10 player is pretty decent isnt it?

Rice can't use the ball. It's always going to limit what he can do. If he were good enough to be the lone defensive player in the side he might be able to get away with it but he isn't yet.

He gets stick because he was anointed despite never actually being that good. He's got the potential to be Henderson (good but not great) but he could also be Jack Rodwell if he makes the wrong choices.

The way England play you need a midfielder who can take the ball comfortably off the back 4 and then distribute well preferably not just playing a simple pass back the way it came because you're too scared and/or not good enough to turn under pressure and play a more risky ball forward. Neither Henderson or Rice are good enough for that.

 

[Zatara]

Rice can't use the ball. It's always going to limit what he can do. If he were good enough to be the lone defensive player in the side he might be able to get away with it but he isn't yet.

He gets stick because he was anointed despite never actually being that good. He's got the potential to be Henderson (good but not great) but he could also be Jack Rodwell if he makes the wrong choices.

Seems to be rated higher then Henderson was at that age?

 

[Zatara]

The way England play you need a midfielder who can take the ball comfortably off the back 4 and then distribute well preferably not just playing a simple pass back the way it came because you're too scared and/or not good enough to turn under pressure and play a more risky ball forward. Neither Henderson or Rice are good enough for that.

Understood...and i know this is the England thread, but in general he seems to be considered a consistent 7/10 player who has just turned 21.

That would already make him our best centre midfielder