End of Era? Something HAS to change, Players or Manager???!

[GPB12]

There is no doubt about it now, this team has reached the end of the road and sadly will be remebered at best as a bunch of nearly men and at worst a rather fraudelent gang of bottlejobs/underachievers.

That 'performance' tonight was an absolute disgrace and given the context and importance of the match to our season, probably the worst I've seen since the 4-0 hammering at WBA in 2005.

But who is to blame?

The players - who can win at City, chelsea etc and then perform like this on a regular basis against the lesser teams? Or Moyes - who has complied a squad that, "despite being the best since the mid 80s", as everyone was calling it last August, has acheived nothing and turned out to be poorly constructed and unbalanced. It's chocka with one-paced central midfielders and right backs but we've no wingers, one half-fit decent striker and (Coleman aside) no pace whatsoever.

Despite his errors in building this gang of inconsistent nearly-men, I personally would back the manager every time over the overpaid, underperforming players every time. I'm at the point that - Baines, Fellain, Cahill and Howard aside - I would sell any remaining player if a suitable price was met. Realistically, if it is "sell to buy", id try to manouvere out...

Rodwell £20m - I'm left thinking what does he do??? He has all the attributes to be a top player and im sure he will be... but it hasn't happened yet and I don't think it will be @ Everton sadly. however, if fellaini wont resign I would keep hold of him as his price will probably rise over the next 12 months anyway as he becomes a regular more and more)

Heitinga £6m - history will show Jonny to be a poor-man's Tommy Gravesen. A well-meaning fraud.

Billy £5m - Not since Fernando Morientes have I seen a player so talented yet so ill-suited to the English game.

Anichebe £2m - My only worry here is what Championship club can afford £2m?!

Neville £1m - A great servant for the club and I have nothing but respect and thanks for his service BUT we don't need/can't afford 3 senior right back's and to save 50k a week this is a necessity. I also think it may encourage others to start taking more responsibilty and would give the impression of a fresh start.

Add in the Yobo, Yak and Vaughan money and that's probably around £40m. Hopefully £10m can go to pay off the debt and that leaves £30m to seriously rebuild the squad.

I would also love to add Beckford to the Out's on this list; in addition to the fact he isn't good enough to start in a decent premier league team, I find him and his body language to hint at a completely unappealing individual who is about 20% of the player he thinks he is. I know he has scored a few, and for that reason I'd keep him as 3rd striker but I can honestly say in 25 years of watching Everton I have never disliked an individual as much as this one-dimensional, preening nonentity.

Even better, we could get rid of the biggest charlatan of the lot, William Kenwright CBE... but let's be honest that ain't happening is it. Oh, happy days...

 

[McBain]

*Furrows brow, strokes chin and squints.

This man may be drunk, but has a point.

 

[Dom1878]

Its Moyes' job to motivate the players, Moyes' job to pick the team, Moyes' job to make the subsitutions...

...Think of Everton FC as a car. The players are the engine and the wheels, Moyes is the driver. If the car crashes...the likelihood is, its the drivers fault.

 

[Matt Damon]

Its Moyes' job to motivate the players, Moyes' job to pick the team, Moyes' job to make the subsitutions...

...Think of Everton FC as a car. The players are the engine and the wheels, Moyes is the driver. If the car crashes...the likelihood is, its the drivers fault.

Oh that old little trick.

Its not a car. The players are humans. Not machines.

A player can act as though he has the right attitude ... but its up to THE PLAYER to show it on the pitch. And they do that with attitude.

i.e. not backing out of challenges.


The only one who can change a players attitude - is the player themselves.

All the manager can do is drop them. Or sell them and obtain players with a better attitude.

 

[chicoazul]

Some points there man, I may wish to kiss you.

 

[McBain]

I'd sell most of them.

Rodwell, Fellaini, Heitinga, Billy, Osman, Hibbert, Neville, Baxter, the Cheeb,

Basically I'd only keep Baines.

The rest can do a big one.

 

[Matt Damon]

The way I feel tonight.

I'd ****ing sell myself.

 

[chicoazul]

The way I feel tonight.

I'd ****ing sell myself.

wafts a crisp five dollar bill in Damon's direction*

applies wang ring*

 

[Matt Damon]

wafts a crisp five dollar bill in Damon's direction*

applies wang ring*

I was thinking of someone alot more fitter, and female than you Chico. Sorry lid.

 

[bluebloodinmyveins]

The way I feel tonight.

I'd ****ing sell myself.

I'd buy you and fly you off to Libya.

 

[Dom1878]

Oh that old little trick.

Its not a car. The players are humans. Not machines.

A player can act as though he has the right attitude ... but its up to THE PLAYER to show it on the pitch. And they do that with attitude.

i.e. not backing out of challenges.


The only one who can change a players attitude - is the player themselves.

All the manager can do is drop them. Or sell them and obtain players with a better attitude.

If they back out of challenges work on that in training, or drop the player (like how Heitinga should have been dropped a few matches - which he wasnt), or tell them if you have a bad match your getting fined.

We dont lose matches just because of the 50/50 challenges, everything that is wrong with us comes down to Moyes...

...like ever noticed how Arteta is still on set pieces? How every corner we defend the majority of the time we have every player back? How we rarely get the second ball - its all down to formation

 

[Matt Damon]

I'd buy you and fly you off to Libya.

Thanks mate. I'd pop in and say hi to Gaddaffi (Gary) when I'm there.

 

[Matt Damon]

If they back out of challenges work on that in training, or drop the player (like how Heitinga should have been dropped a few matches - which he wasnt), or tell them if you have a bad match your getting fined.

We dont lose matches just because of the 50/50 challenges, everything that is wrong with us comes down to Moyes...

...like ever noticed how Arteta is still on set pieces? How every corner we defend the majority of the time we have every player back? How we rarely get the second ball - its all down to formation

No its not. Its down to the fact that players aren't taking responsibility. If it all comes down to Moyes - how does Moyes make a 10 year veteran like Distin suddenly lose the ability to head the ball ?

Players not concentrating or switching off is purely the players fault.

 

[Dom1878]

No its not. Its down to the fact that players aren't taking responsibility. If it all comes down to Moyes - how does Moyes make a 10 year veteran like Distin suddenly lose the ability to head the ball ?

Players not concentrating or switching off is purely the players fault.

And when they do it in a pattern - as in play bad against the lesser teams, then that obviously is something to do with motivation, otherwise all the big teams would be losing against the small teams...

...unless everton are very unlucky and are the only team to have about 16 players who dont concentrate

 

[Matt Damon]

And when they do it in a pattern - as in play bad against the lesser teams, then that obviously is something to do with motivation, otherwise all the big teams would be losing against the small teams...

...unless everton are very unlucky and are the only team to have about 16 players who dont concentrate

Well then you're saying it's not the managers fault - it's Kenwright for not allowing Moyes to bring in additions that would allow him to break the pattern.

Yes I see that there right in your argument.