ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[davek]

Ok mate.

It's not stalking. It's putting you right, whilst pointing out your inconsistencies m. But this is a new low, buddying up to Liverpools manager.

Sickening TBH, whilst not having a good word for our own.

"Our own".

Lol.

 

[catcherintherye]

Not for me. Two German titles and a Champions League and EL final. You dont do that without being a very good manager.

I think there's way too much knee jerking these days. Most would have accepted up until the last few weeks that he is one of the best managers around. He;ll be successful again - hopefully not with them though.

I think it's hard not to be drinking the Kopite cool aid on Klopp. He is a one trick pony manager who won a couple of leagues in a poor German league while Munich were stuttering. Once Dortmund got their act together he floundered. He left Dortmund mid table. Had it not been for the winter break they could well have gone down (they were bottom at the point of the mid winter break). He then cut and run. Tuchel has inherited his mess and developed them further than Klopp could.

Before Dortmund he took Mainz down. When Real Madrid were looking for a new manager it wasn't just that he wasn't shortlisted, they openly discounted him. Utterances of this mean a lot. In the world of football elite clubs know what he is.

A final point on Klopp is he's lost each of his last 5 finals. He's a serial bottler of big games. A trendy Moyes. None of this is a knee-jerk reaction, He is very good at doing 1 particular thing, (in much the same way Moyes was for us). When the rules of the game changed, he has floundered.

The Kopites have almost cult like efforts to tell everyone anything will be ok. It makes for a compelling case. However believe me, the blip for them under Klopp was the 3 month spell this season, before he'd knackered his team and sides had worked him out. This will be the norm for him. He doesn't have the flexibility of a Pochetino or even frankly a Koeman.

 

[DrEFC]

^^^ It's a blight, it really is. The Koeman Gestapo strikes again.

lollollollollollol

 

[ianefc]

"Our own".

Lol.

Fair point. Everton's own.

Maybe I shouldn't be classing you in that bracket at the moment. Apologies.

 

[catcherintherye]

Dave I remember you being hugely dismissive of klopp when they appibted him.

As for his record, 5 cup finals lost on the bounce, two bundesliga titles fair enough is an impressive feat, but he caught a bayern team in transition and his style of play took a couple of seasons for teams to adjust to, once they did he won nothing.

Yes a good manager, but one who is way too rigid in his system and way too demanding on players.

We will finish above them this season, and if we do so, then that's a huge failure by klopp.

Look at Klopp's record across the entirety of his career. He won a poor Bundesliga before Bayern got their act together. Once they did he floundered, cut and run. Before Dortmund he took Mainz down. Without a winter break dortmund may have suffered the same fate.

Klopp is a rich mans Moyes. Very good at a particular job in particular circumstances, However once moved outside of this really struggles to generalise his approach. In essence a 1 trick pony. For all we can say about Koeman you see a manager with far greater flexibility. He's enjoyed success and won trophies at numerous clubs in numerous countries.

 

[Ernie]

Not for me. Two German titles and a Champions League and EL final. You dont do that without being a very good manager.

I think there's way too much knee jerking these days. Most would have accepted up until the last few weeks that he is one of the best managers around. He;ll be successful again - hopefully not with them though.

Di Matteo won the FA Cup and Champions league

Is he a good manager

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

wait till mane comes back tho lads..

LADS ?

It's now "Wait till Henderson comes back..." mate.

 

[ianefc]

Roy Hosgson took England to a World Cup. Is he a good manager?

Plus he's a former Liverpool manager, who at that time needed a lot of defending.

 

[Saint Domingo]

"Our own".

Lol.

ONE. OF. US.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Champions of England 3, Champions of October 1.

 

[summerisle]

FFS, the hubris on display here over Liverpool is immense.

Stop doing it to yourselves.

Hubris ? I just dislike anything and everything to do with them.

 

[bluestevon]

FFS, the hubris on display here over Liverpool is immense.

Stop doing it to yourselves.

Said by the person who started the liverpol thread on this forum, yeah mate, think I may vault your opinions on klopp tomorrow for a laugh, yanno the ones where you slated him to the heavens when he first arrived.

 

[Kurt.]

Like clockwork he slots.

The Goat.org

 

[davek]

Dave I remember you being hugely dismissive of klopp when they appibted him.

As for his record, 5 cup finals lost on the bounce, two bundesliga titles fair enough is an impressive feat, but he caught a bayern team in transition and his style of play took a couple of seasons for teams to adjust to, once they did he won nothing.

Yes a good manager, but one who is way too rigid in his system and way too demanding on players.

We will finish above them this season, and if we do so, then that's a huge failure by klopp.

Was I mate? Then you wont mind presenting those posts then will you?

You on the other hand now see Klopp as merely 'good' but before he arrived at Liverpool you thought he was good enough for the biggest jobs in world football...

Will do so mate, their owners don't want a manager who is the best they can get, they want a manager who is the best they can get who will totally agree to their money-ball strategy, Klopp seriously won't bend over for that mate.

he will end up at one of Bayern, Chelsea, Arsenal, City or Madrid as any of those jobs could easily open up after this season

Ha Ha Ha.

Keep being wrong mate. It'd confuse me if you started getting stuff right.

 

[toffeejack]

Still stubbornly playing the same system with the same players as he was in December while their season falls to bits around them.

It was clear by the Wolves game that Liverpool were going to need an answer to sides sitting back and countering and he clearly hasn't got it.

Their squad's not big, but neither is ours. When sides seemed to have us figured out Koeman dealt with this by trying new formations and showing great faith young players to freshen things up and create competition while Klopp has only used his young players to crash out of cup competitions and ruin their confidence.

our squad is massive compared to theirs, we've got galloway, niasse and cleverley on loan out to premier league clubs, as well as a very impressive reserve team who are close to winning the title, as well as a bench which has been better than theirs every single week. We spout that players like kone, cleverley etc are tosh, but they've still been premier league players for a long time. RS's squad is only about 18/19 players big until you get to their youth squad. A youth squad which hasn't really got much to boast either.