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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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RAWK pre Newcastle...


How bleak it must be for supporters of other clubs to watch us having a carnival, and then realising Jurgen Klopp is not their manager

I almost feel bad for the rest of the league, as if we've unlocked the cheat code of football managers...

And that manager has unlocked the cheat code for our entire team! Made them all 20+ players
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Funny you should mention this - it felt like the Man Utd team of the early 00s in terms of how audacious and direct we're playing. Every attack seems to have a purpose with every participant looking to have some idea on what to try if the first one doesn't work.

It's understandable people are getting excited about the way we've been playing and the manager himself. But talk about winning the league is a little premature I think. My opinion might change though if we find a way to destroy teams at home on a consistent basis like we have been doing in our away games.

I don't think I can praise Klopp any higher than by saying he's helped Dejan Lovren look solid and this week, he's helped Divock Origi play like Fernando Torres. Something amazing is happening at our club and we should just enjoy the ride.

With Klopp using the diamond formation to such devastating effect against Southampton, we might return to the 13/14 blitzkrieg style of play at home. Only improved and with a better defense.

If we can replicate some of those away performances at home, which with a bit of patience and support and SINGING (what's that?) from the Kop we will do, I think we will get back into the "How many will we score today" before long. How exciting is this? 2 months ago and we were in the bottom half, hadn't score more than 1 goal in any game in weeks, hadn't won at home (bar Villa - bottom side) since August and were really really languishing. What a turnaround. And there's plenty of the season left! Will we sign Stevie if come late January we are in with a shot of the title? Now that has me dreaming....

The opportunity is here and now. He'll seize it. Since his come in, we've been basically on title-winning form given the dross around us.

The thought has entered my mind that I wonder how much of our rivals recent loss of form is due to look over their shoulder at Klopp
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I said something similar in the PL match thread; that our rivals would look at City's slip up but wouldn't be rubbing their hands with glee as much looking at us nervously and wondering if we will capitalise on it. If our rivals are too preoccupied with what we are doing and not concentrating enough on themselves, then the initiative has passed to us.

with spirit and confidence like this.... we are the most exciting team in PL now...

I'm not sure we will win the league this year but i am predicting we will next year and Origi will be Klopps Lewandowski for Liverool !!!

There is absolutely no reason why Liverpool should not win the league this season.

If we win tomorrow then we're really only 4 points off top spot. Call me impetuous, but I honestly don't see any point in factoring Leicester into the equation. Lets be honest about it, they're not going to be anywhere near the top 4 come May. They're a stone waiting to drop. Fair [Poor language removed] to them for doing as well as they've done thus far, but they've got a LOT of tough fixtures to come in the 2nd half of the season.

We will be in a title fight this season, make no mistake about it. That might sound like a premature statement given we're still in early December. But its on. No doubt about it. We've weathered the storm of our opening fixtures and bagged ourselves a world class manager along the way. If Sturridge can stay fit then you can bet your bottom dollar we're going to have a serious crack at the title.

80 points for the league title? 18 wins, 3 draws, 3 defeats from the final 24 games gets 57 points and reaches the blue peter total.

It'll be so bittersweet for Stevie if we do win the title this season. He'll of course be overjoyed as his beloved Liverpool win their nineteenth title, but will be sad that he wasn't there as a player.

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RAWK pre Newcastle...


How bleak it must be for supporters of other clubs to watch us having a carnival, and then realising Jurgen Klopp is not their manager

I almost feel bad for the rest of the league, as if we've unlocked the cheat code of football managers...

And that manager has unlocked the cheat code for our entire team! Made them all 20+ players
wink.gif


Funny you should mention this - it felt like the Man Utd team of the early 00s in terms of how audacious and direct we're playing. Every attack seems to have a purpose with every participant looking to have some idea on what to try if the first one doesn't work.

It's understandable people are getting excited about the way we've been playing and the manager himself. But talk about winning the league is a little premature I think. My opinion might change though if we find a way to destroy teams at home on a consistent basis like we have been doing in our away games.

I don't think I can praise Klopp any higher than by saying he's helped Dejan Lovren look solid and this week, he's helped Divock Origi play like Fernando Torres. Something amazing is happening at our club and we should just enjoy the ride.

With Klopp using the diamond formation to such devastating effect against Southampton, we might return to the 13/14 blitzkrieg style of play at home. Only improved and with a better defense.

If we can replicate some of those away performances at home, which with a bit of patience and support and SINGING (what's that?) from the Kop we will do, I think we will get back into the "How many will we score today" before long. How exciting is this? 2 months ago and we were in the bottom half, hadn't score more than 1 goal in any game in weeks, hadn't won at home (bar Villa - bottom side) since August and were really really languishing. What a turnaround. And there's plenty of the season left! Will we sign Stevie if come late January we are in with a shot of the title? Now that has me dreaming....

The opportunity is here and now. He'll seize it. Since his come in, we've been basically on title-winning form given the dross around us.

The thought has entered my mind that I wonder how much of our rivals recent loss of form is due to look over their shoulder at Klopp
scarf.gif


I said something similar in the PL match thread; that our rivals would look at City's slip up but wouldn't be rubbing their hands with glee as much looking at us nervously and wondering if we will capitalise on it. If our rivals are too preoccupied with what we are doing and not concentrating enough on themselves, then the initiative has passed to us.

with spirit and confidence like this.... we are the most exciting team in PL now...

I'm not sure we will win the league this year but i am predicting we will next year and Origi will be Klopps Lewandowski for Liverool !!!

There is absolutely no reason why Liverpool should not win the league this season.

If we win tomorrow then we're really only 4 points off top spot. Call me impetuous, but I honestly don't see any point in factoring Leicester into the equation. Lets be honest about it, they're not going to be anywhere near the top 4 come May. They're a stone waiting to drop. Fair [Poor language removed] to them for doing as well as they've done thus far, but they've got a LOT of tough fixtures to come in the 2nd half of the season.

We will be in a title fight this season, make no mistake about it. That might sound like a premature statement given we're still in early December. But its on. No doubt about it. We've weathered the storm of our opening fixtures and bagged ourselves a world class manager along the way. If Sturridge can stay fit then you can bet your bottom dollar we're going to have a serious crack at the title.

80 points for the league title? 18 wins, 3 draws, 3 defeats from the final 24 games gets 57 points and reaches the blue peter total.

It'll be so bittersweet for Stevie if we do win the title this season. He'll of course be overjoyed as his beloved Liverpool win their nineteenth title, but will be sad that he wasn't there as a player.

They never learn. The same Kopites were singing they were 'gonna win der league' under Rodgers until they collapsed (an infinitely more exciting and capable team, btw, than this dire bunch of plodders they have now).

The evidence they work off is mind boggling. Since he arrived they've played 7 matches and won three, lost two and drawn two. 11 points. That points total in the last 7 matches has been either equalled or surpassed by half of the teams in the PL (we'll equal it tonight if we pick up three points too).

If there's anything that better illustrates the level of delusion amongst that lot it's facts like this.
 
They never learn. The same Kopites were singing they were 'gonna win der league' under Rodgers until they collapsed (an infinitely more exciting and capable team, btw, than this dire bunch of plodders they have now).

The evidence they work off is mind boggling. Since he arrived they've played 7 matches and won three, lost two and drawn two. 11 points. That points total in the last 7 matches has been either equalled or surpassed by half of the teams in the PL (we'll equal it tonight if we pick up three points too).

If there's anything that better illustrates the level of delusion amongst that lot it's facts like this.

What about that league game v Southampton though when they smashed them 6-1 got three points and sent shockwaves round the premier league? Oh that's right it was a cup game and in reality Klopp mustered a dour draw at home in the league to Southampton as he did v Spurs before getting done by Palace and Newcastle. Safe to say that no one in the league will be looking at them anymore than they are looking at the rest of the midtable outfits occupying the top ten.

No doubt at some point they'll go on a penalty assisted run which will get the media rock hard for a while but at the end of the season I fully expect to see Arsenal and City st the top because they have the most quality.
 

Seriously how can you have that much lack of self awareness?
The media indulges them in their unreasonable view that they are still major players. They're not. 26 years since winning the league title underlines that in spades.

Imagine any European team in other leagues on the continent protesting that they are a major club in their own country without having won the championship for over a quarter of a century. Quite rightly they'd be howled down with gales of laughter and ridiculed. That's them. It's just that they and the British media cant (or wont) see the wood for the trees.
 
What about that league game v Southampton though when they smashed them 6-1 got three points and sent shockwaves round the premier league? Oh that's right it was a cup game and in reality Klopp mustered a dour draw at home in the league to Southampton as he did v Spurs before getting done by Palace and Newcastle. Safe to say that no one in the league will be looking at them anymore than they are looking at the rest of the midtable outfits occupying the top ten.

No doubt at some point they'll go on a penalty assisted run which will get the media rock hard for a while but at the end of the season I fully expect to see Arsenal and City st the top because they have the most quality.
If they buy world class players in January - and hang in and about the top five until they arrive - they might just nick a CL spot this season. But that's a lot of speculation. At the moment they are simply miles off top four. Their first team is utter dross besides Coutinho.
 
They never learn. The same Kopites were singing they were 'gonna win der league' under Rodgers until they collapsed (an infinitely more exciting and capable team, btw, than this dire bunch of plodders they have now).

The evidence they work off is mind boggling. Since he arrived they've played 7 matches and won three, lost two and drawn two. 11 points. That points total in the last 7 matches has been either equalled or surpassed by half of the teams in the PL (we'll equal it tonight if we pick up three points too).

If there's anything that better illustrates the level of delusion amongst that lot it's facts like this.

TBH that squad was probably more limited in terms of skill than this one is; the difference was that they had the racist and that for about three or four months in a row teams forgot how to play against them, until Mou reminded everyone and they turned bobbins once more.
 
TBH that squad was probably more limited in terms of skill than this one is; the difference was that they had the racist and that for about three or four months in a row teams forgot how to play against them, until Mou reminded everyone and they turned bobbins once more.
It'd have to have been VERY limited to have been worse than this current Liverpool outfit. Rodgers had Suarez in the best form of his life - a genuine world class player - Sturridge and Coutinho in and around him, Sterling playing better than he ever has done for City and chipping in, Gerrard still capable of pulling out a solid match winning performance now and then. This lot have got Coutinho trying to lead a bunch of clueless shire horses around the pitch to get a result from somewhere. That this lot have notched up two notable league wins against Chelsea and City emphasises just how poor the top teams are this season. Ordinarily City and Chelsea on an off day would have swept that shower of rubbish one side and took the points.
 
TBH that squad was probably more limited in terms of skill than this one is; the difference was that they had the racist and that for about three or four months in a row teams forgot how to play against them, until Mou reminded everyone and they turned bobbins once more.

In fairness that squad had far far more attacking power. Suarez is now proving to be one of the world's best whilst Sturridge and Sterling were also electric, Coutinho wasn't even a big player that season but now he's by far and away their best player despite not really improving at all. They also had mr penalty himself straining every inch of refereeing influence he had to influence key results for them in that run.

Rodgers had just perfected the ultimate kick and rush tactic but had one of the world's best upfront to make it work for them. Over the course of the season it worked for them but again when you look deeper they lost away at City, Chelsea and Arsenal convincingly, and should have gone down a cricket score to us. If you play counter attacking then you run the risk of a top side punishing you with the ball and that's what happened. City's quality from back to front won out and last season's Chelsea would have passed them easily as well considering Mourinho had a team with no striker almost level with them the season before.

They'll always have a big result in them as Klopp has shown but without the Gerrard factor to break the deadlock with a pen or free kick against teams who sit in they could be in for a lot more draws. They're already getting a few less decisions without mr Liverpool bawling in the refs ear from the first minute to the end.
 

Liverpool beat Chelsea during Mourinho's worst ever period in his management career, and not long before they get beat by Bournemouth = Liverpool are going to win the league.

Liverpool beat a City side who have struggled in more than a few games and just before they got beat 2-0 by Stoke = Liverpool are going to win the league.

Liverpool beat Southampton in the cup, who have been largely poor just before they cant find a win against the leagues worst team = Liverpool are going to win the league. (I also doubt it would've finished like this in the league, due to S'oton just going s**t or bust for the last 20 mins, which they wouldn't do in a league game, hence the RS late glut of goals)

Then they go out and play Newcastle, and get beat 2-0, after registering only 1 shot on target, Lovren, 89th min.

Hmmmm, convincing.....
 
Liverpool beat Chelsea during Mourinho's worst ever period in his management career, and not long before they get beat by Bournemouth = Liverpool are going to win the league.

Liverpool beat a City side who have struggled in more than a few games and just before they got beat 2-0 by Stoke = Liverpool are going to win the league.

Liverpool beat Southampton in the cup, who have been largely poor just before they cant find a win against the leagues worst team = Liverpool are going to win the league. (I also doubt it would've finished like this in the league, due to S'oton just going s**t or bust for the last 20 mins, which they wouldn't do in a league game, hence the RS late glut of goals)

Then they go out and play Newcastle, and get beat 2-0, after registering only 1 shot on target, Lovren, 89th min.

Hmmmm, convincing.....

What's most annoying is that other teams who pull off similar stuff just don't get any recognition. Spurs dismantled City and we battered Chelsea yet there was barely a murmur from the media, it was all about how poor Chelsea were.....until Liverpool do it then it's all about how utterly irrepressible Liverpool were, how they are shaking up the league smashing teams, how they are about to embark on lengthy title winning runs of form. Utterly ridiculous. Spurs and United pulled a point away from them again and Arsenal pulled three away. Sides apparently having poor seasons sat comfortably ahead of Klopps Harlem globetrotters.
 
What's most annoying is that other teams who pull off similar stuff just don't get any recognition. Spurs dismantled City and we battered Chelsea yet there was barely a murmur from the media, it was all about how poor Chelsea were.....until Liverpool do it then it's all about how utterly irrepressible Liverpool were, how they are shaking up the league smashing teams, how they are about to embark on lengthy title winning runs of form. Utterly ridiculous. Spurs and United pulled a point away from them again and Arsenal pulled three away. Sides apparently having poor seasons sat comfortably ahead of Klopps Harlem globetrotters.

Being a fan of Greek tragedy I actually don't mind this one bit. They are a modern take on the pitfalls of hubris.
 
If we win tomorrow then we'll have picked up the same number of points as Liverpool in their 'renaissance' under Klopp since he arrived.

Cant wait until the media all fall over themselves to hand the plaudits out to Roberto.

Well yes I suppose I meant more in terms of who they have beaten. It does look very impressive, beating Chelsea City and Southampton. It's only when you look at the context a bit more that you can see those results aren't quite as impressive as they seem. Odd though it sounds but I actually think our victories against Sunderland & Villa are more impressive as they are more in form sides than they have faced.

I'd fancy Villa to nick a point at Anfield under their new manager and I think Sunderland may well beat them under Fat Sam.
 
Well yes I suppose I meant more in terms of who they have beaten. It does look very impressive, beating Chelsea City and Southampton. It's only when you look at the context a bit more that you can see those results aren't quite as impressive as they seem. Odd though it sounds but I actually think our victories against Sunderland & Villa are more impressive as they are more in form sides than they have faced.

I'd fancy Villa to nick a point at Anfield under their new manager and I think Sunderland may well beat them under Fat Sam.

Would that be Fat Sam doing a big, whopping belly-splash on them lol
 

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