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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

As you've said before: it will be very interesting now to see how Mane fairs at Bayern Munich.

That level of player should see no dramatic drop off in form. If he struggles next season then that will add yet more grist to the mill.


I am 100% sure that in a few years time Klopp will be vilified when all this comes out. By then, the Liverpool roadshow will have moved on though and it'll be a case of "Jurgen who?"

Sadly I think the wheels will be in motion to get Hansi Flick as Klopp’s successor. Kovac and Nagelsmann are very good coaches had that group of players at a decent level but nowhere near CL winning. Flick comes in and next thing is they’re all resembling the Incredible Hulk and are smashing records left right and centre. If I were the Liverpool hierarchy he’d be the continuity candidate to keep Klopp’s work going.

Some of these players are going to be utterly broken in later life though
 

As you've said before: it will be very interesting now to see how Mane fairs at Bayern Munich.

That level of player should see no dramatic drop off in form. If he struggles next season then that will add yet more grist to the mill.


I am 100% sure that in a few years time Klopp will be vilified when all this comes out. By then, the Liverpool roadshow will have moved on though and it'll be a case of "Jurgen who?"

Klopp is untouchable for them. The narrative will be that the players are lying bitter rats or the media are trying to start a smear campaign against them like they were with the Evra/Suarez debacle or the Champions League final ticket scandal.
 
A big one for me is the wild swing in performances. To go from the levels they were setting in 18/19 19/20 to how abysmal they were in 20/21 to then regain those levels last season is just unheard of in any normal sporting capacity. They had a couple of injuries at CB and no crowds but fundamentally it was the same team and same manager, sure there might be some points variation but not a 20 point plus swing and losing 6 games at home in a row after being unbeaten the 4 seasons around it.

Then you have Coutinho Can Wijnaldum Lallana Lovren have all departed and their form has absolutely fallen off a cliff. Coutinho is on Villa’s bench some games, when he left they were saying that Messi would have to move position that’s how good he was. Suarez went to Barca and got even better, that’s genuine world class, these doped up mugs have gone elsewhere and fallen flat on their face.

He’s got form for that though. Look at his Dortmund team. A few of the genuine world class talents are still performing well Lewandowski, Gundogan, Hummels, but what happened to the careers of Sahin, Subotic, Goetze, Kagawa, GrossKreutz, Sokratis, Santana, Barrios etc. Somd of them dropped from CL final standard to playing third division in a few seasons.

That young team at Dortmund should have gone on to make up the starting line ups of Madrid, Barca and Bayern for years but instead most of them fell right off form wise.

If they sold Henderson Milner Oxlade Chamberlain Gomez Firmino Jota Matip Jones right now to another club they’d be playing at a lower level prem team within a season, no question in my mind.

Class is permanent in football unless you’ve played for Klopp seemingly.
He has form for this sort of thing. In his last season at Dortmund, he nearly took them down the toilet. I can remember being at a Bundesliga game with him in charge when they were actually rock bottom. Now, as we know, good managers can hit a wall and lose their way with a team (Wenger springs to mind), but nobody other than Leicester goes from title challengers to relegation candidates within a matter of months (and I have my suspicions about them at that time).

What I found most unusual, however, is how they went from six straight home defeats to an end-of-season rampage that got them into the CL. It's not that they had a season off - it was that they had 2-3 months when they genuinely looked like relegation contenders. Normal?
 
He has form for this sort of thing. In his last season at Dortmund, he nearly took them down the toilet. I can remember being at a Bundesliga game with him in charge when they were actually rock bottom. Now, as we know, good managers can hit a wall and lose their way with a team (Wenger springs to mind), but nobody other than Leicester goes from title challengers to relegation candidates within a matter of months (and I have my suspicions about them at that time).

What I found most unusual, however, is how they went from six straight home defeats to an end-of-season rampage that got them into the CL. It's not that they had a season off - it was that they had 2-3 months when they genuinely looked like relegation contenders. Normal?

Yes very odd how conveniently timed that was. Nat Phillips and Rhys Williams started to look like Baresi and Maldini for a few weeks and even Thiago suddenly found some form after looking awful most of the season. Mane and Firmino couldn’t hit a barn door for part of that season either.

I mean it wasn’t even good teams winning at Anfield. Everton Brighton Burnley Fulham, one of them even getting a draw would be a shock in any other season but then all winning? Can’t blame that on VVD being out. They even got punted 7-2 by Villa when he was fit.
 
Ok, re the doping: this is what they're up to (From a This Is Anfield article two days ago).

"This year it seems as though Liverpool are taking a slightly different approach, with the introduction of fractional exhaled nitric oxide (FeNO) testing using analysis technology from NIOX.

FeNO testing is typically used in diagnosing asthma, with NIOX describing the technology as “the most convenient biomarker of airway inflammation.”


Players were strapped with electrodes on their chest, pulse oximeters on their feet and wrists and an exercise mask to monitor their breathing. They were then tasked with running at intervals on a specialist treadmill, with readings conducted before blood tests and heart-rate monitors were used to measure lactic acid and cardiopulmonary output.

As explained by LoveMedical: “CPET found favour in the sports and fitness arena, in particular as a tool to determine fitness by assessing the volume of oxygen output of a person under exercise.”




What they appear to be doing is carrying out tests for cardio fitness levels and the ability of the body to increase oxygen output. But the (happy) byproduct of this is to diagnose players with an asthma condition. Science is being used, in other words, to smuggle in asthmatic drugs somewhere along the line to players - because all players will fall spmewhere on the scale of an asthmatic under conditions where the body is put under severe pressure. This will add more ammunition to the consensus that Liverpool FC have more asthmatics than other clubs - by explaining WHY they have more. They look very deeply for it, in short.

Here's the NHS description of what the FeNo testing does and what it can be used to detemine and prescribe:

Fractional Exhaled Nitric Oxide (FeNO)

What is it?

FeNO devices are a novel medical technology used to aid in the diagnosis of asthma. FeNO devices measure fractional exhaled nitric oxide in the breath of patients. Nitric oxide is a biomarker for asthma which provides an indication of the level of inflammation in the lungs. FeNO testing produces a FeNO score which gives a value to the level of inflammation and can therefore be used to aid in the diagnosis of asthma. Although FeNO is primarily a diagnostic tool, it has an additional use in the ongoing monitoring of chronic asthma.

They are basically hiding this in plain sight now.
Feno is fairly unreliable in the diagnosis of asthma as it has a higher specificity than sensitivity, which would mean OVERDIAGNOSING of asthma. The gold standard is a spirometry test, showing airway obstruction that is reversible with salbutamol ( as per NICE guidance, which suggests both Feno and spirometry). If they were just using Feno asthma would be overdiagnosed. Also there are definitely ways you could get a picture of asthma on spirometry without having it. You just need someone who knows what they are doing.
 

Also, I suspect the reason for medication such as symbicort is that the steroids are combined with long acting stimulant medication (and these can't be given to asthmatics without the combined steroid because there is a increased mortality rate if given alone, for complicated reasons)
 
Feno is fairly unreliable in the diagnosis of asthma as it has a higher specificity than sensitivity, which would mean OVERDIAGNOSING of asthma. The gold standard is a spirometry test, showing airway obstruction that is reversible with salbutamol ( as per NICE guidance, which suggests both Feno and spirometry). If they were just using Feno asthma would be overdiagnosed. Also there are definitely ways you could get a picture of asthma on spirometry without having it. You just need someone who knows what they are doing.

Also, I suspect the reason for medication such as symbicort is that the steroids are combined with long acting stimulant medication (and these can't be given to asthmatics without the combined steroid because there is a increased mortality rate if given alone, for complicated reasons)
Thanks mate. Interesting.
 
Quote from: RedSince86 on Yesterday at 01:01:06 pm
Their team is [Poor language removed], their club has no money, they have wasted any money they did have on shocking laughable recrutiment, and they are nailed on for another relegation battle and their manager is a [Poor language removed] Tory.

The Loons at GoT are talking about Inhalers.
::)
Thrush breath reporting back again
 


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