ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[catcherintherye]

Interesting stat and not sure why teams haven't cottoned or exploited the very high line, these are the stats from January.

Aside from this being a very niche stat, I cant help but think you've really misread this.

If they "win" a lot of offside (it seems a rather odd phrase but let's go with it) surely that would be evidence to say it would be harder to exploit their defensive line, as they are good at catching people out? Or am I missing something here?

 

[catcherintherye]

You've got me on a rant now. Aside from the points above, about asking someone who's won the WBC belt what they've ever won I find the spectacle of approaching famous people, with a camera a really odd phenomenon.

I'm not sure if that's me being a bit misanthropic, but is that not a bit weird.

Like honestly, if I saw Sadio Mane in town, I wouldnt feel the urge to go up to him. The same as if I saw Allan or whatever. It seems completely undignified to me. Like what do you want from it? Do you think hes going to be your mate or whatever? Are people that lonely and sad?

What is beyond that, is to be hurling abuse at famous people, or asking them what they have or havent achieved. Like whatever someone thinks of say Sadio Manes achievements, hes achieved a lot more than I ever will, and honestly 99.9% of people ever will. Same as Tony Bellew. I might not like them, but the idea I'd be in any position to go making a judgement in their career seems baffling to me.

I suppose it's the cape of arrogance that comes from being male and white to a degree.

What I do get though, is that sort of essentially knobheaded behaviour seems to be like a badge of honour for some Kopites to prove you are initiated. It's like the masons or whatever, who make you do something ridiculous to gain entry. Why on earth would you?

Like honestly lad, put the phone down, stop blabbering on inanely about other peoples achievements and get to the gym yourself. That's about the kindest bit of advice anyone could give him.

 

[Taifi gorm]

Not even scousers and still that tribal

Mutants

 

[catcherintherye]

Why do you think they care about sporting contest? All they care about is being able to take the piss out of people and scream in their faces about the reflective glory they’ve attached themselves to. They are narcissistic, unhinged people.

They are a very funny bunch. I know we are rivals, but before they had their recent success I thought most of them were actually quite alright. Thered be some back and forth. I don't know of loads have come out of the woodwork, or whether the inner knobhead in them has just grown, but they have reacted to a bit of success with complete delusion.

I've got mates who support United (most of my mates to be fair), Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool etc and can honestly say it seems only Liverpool fans equate a teams success as their success. United blitzed the league for about 25 years and didnt carry on like that.

What it masks for the most part is deeply unhappy people. That's always a bit of a tell tale sign, when people live vicariously through others they are actually not happy. When you point out to them, they have won 0 European cups for example, that they work at a table factory and are about 4 stone overweight, they get really aggressive too, which is always funny.

As a slight aside, I sort of think this is how white masculinity works as well in this country. A load of blokes who didnt fight in either world war think they single handedly throttled Adolf Hitler in both wars, and treat any revision from an established inaccurate narrative as personally pouring shade on their imagined achievements. It's a really interesting psychological experiment the stories some men will believe about themselves (you'll notice it's never women partaking in this, they are too busy washing the dishes and doing the domestic labour of the rentagob proclaiming his imagined wins)

 

[ste d' indica]

I dont even like Bellew that much, but honestly imagine going to a boxing event, and asking someone who has won the most coveted belt in boxing what he has ever won.

Like maybe if you werent such a loser all your life and didnt waste your time stalking alphas you might achieve something yourself? Really odd behaviour.

I've not really gone to many boxing events, but last nights seems like a proper knobheads day trip out to me.

Do you remember that one shouting '5 times' at Ronaldo when Real played at Anfield?
The player that's won it 5 times.

 

[MikeH72]

@EverTheOptimist get in here and start passive aggressively liking some of these posts you lizard.

 

[catcherintherye]

Do you remember that one shouting '5 times' at Ronaldo when Real played at Anfield?
The player that's won it 5 times.

I didnt know about that, but clearly ludicrous behaviour.

I am going to guess that the person doing it was:
1) pale
2) male
3) Stale

 

[CharliePotato]

Says Charlie who gets his trabs from Wynsors World of Shoes.

In knotty ash.

 

[cronullasharks]

I didnt know about that, but clearly ludicrous behaviour.

I am going to guess that the person doing it was:
1) pale
2) male
3) Stale

If it's the one I'm thinking of he was a bloke of at least 50 who then gave himself a little clap as he sat down all proud.

 

[wandyr79]

They are a very funny bunch. I know we are rivals, but before they had their recent success I thought most of them were actually quite alright. Thered be some back and forth. I don't know of loads have come out of the woodwork, or whether the inner knobhead in them has just grown, but they have reacted to a bit of success with complete delusion.

I've got mates who support United (most of my mates to be fair), Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool etc and can honestly say it seems only Liverpool fans equate a teams success as their success. United blitzed the league for about 25 years and didnt carry on like that.

What it masks for the most part is deeply unhappy people. That's always a bit of a tell tale sign, when people live vicariously through others they are actually not happy. When you point out to them, they have won 0 European cups for example, that they work at a table factory and are about 4 stone overweight, they get really aggressive too, which is always funny.

As a slight aside, I sort of think this is how white masculinity works as well in this country. A load of blokes who didnt fight in either world war think they single handedly throttled Adolf Hitler in both wars, and treat any revision from an established inaccurate narrative as personally pouring shade on their imagined achievements. It's a really interesting psychological experiment the stories some men will believe about themselves (you'll notice it's never women partaking in this, they are too busy washing the dishes and doing the domestic labour of the rentagob proclaiming his imagined wins)

A decent post this, the Mitchell and Webb sketch absolutely nailed it with what team they chose to use, with the overusing of we to you, etc.

I mean, I am very guilty of using the term 'we', as most fans (of any sporting team in any sport) are but that is just some weird ingrained term that is used. It doesn't mean anything, it is when you start goading other fans and comparing the 'we' to 'you' that it becomes extremely disturbing. Bellew's answer was spot on, 'I have won the WBC belt, what have YOU won?' I love the 'probably will' comment as well, it is something I have always used, just straight back at them with an observed comment about the situation, no back chat. Usually stops them in their tracks, they don't want reasoned debate, they want back chat and an 'argument'.

In a way it reminds me of a time when I was watched a derby in the Brookhouse, we lost 1 -0 and I was just texting on my phone after the game. My mum had texted me to just simply say that Everton were poor/unlucky or something like that. A Red (didn't know him) randomly came over and said 'What, you crying to your mum', my response was 'It is actually my mum, but she is a West Ham fan so doesn't give a [Poor language removed]', then just looked down and carried on with my reply to my mum. I heard a weak arsed 'fair play' and he was gone. I just don't get that goading, bad winner mentality, to go over to a complete stranger who could have been texting anything to anybody to say that, it is just plain weird.

 

[EverTheOptimist]

Boxing events are just full of riled up boozed up coke heads full of bravado, they attract the worst denominator of masculinity who all think they could take anyone in the arena for a fisticuffs in the ring.

Bellew could have jumped down there and sparked them all out if he wanted, would have taught those idiots a life lesson.

Always incidents with boxing fans at those events on both sides of the Atlantic, I'm guessing the smallest infraction or certain slurs sets it off.

Seems the age of mobile phones and social media gives you validation to be a utter prat as well.

Was it Andy Warhol who said "Anyone can be famous for 5 minutes", how true was he decades later, these Idiots harassing celebs will dine on those 5 minutes for the rest of their average lives.

 

[degsy]

A decent post this, the Mitchell and Webb sketch absolutely nailed it with what team they chose to use, with the overusing of we to you, etc.

I mean, I am very guilty of using the term 'we', as most fans (of any sporting team in any sport) are but that is just some weird ingrained term that is used. It doesn't mean anything, it is when you start goading other fans and comparing the 'we' to 'you' that it becomes extremely disturbing. Bellew's answer was spot on, 'I have won the WBC belt, what have YOU won?' I love the 'probably will' comment as well, it is something I have always used, just straight back at them with an observed comment about the situation, no back chat. Usually stops them in their tracks, they don't want reasoned debate, they want back chat and an 'argument'.

In a way it reminds me of a time when I was watched a derby in the Brookhouse, we lost 1 -0 and I was just texting on my phone after the game. My mum had texted me to just simply say that Everton were poor/unlucky or something like that. A Red (didn't know him) randomly came over and said 'What, you crying to your mum', my response was 'It is actually my mum, but she is a West Ham fan so doesn't give a [Poor language removed]', then just looked down and carried on with my reply to my mum. I heard a weak arsed 'fair play' and he was gone. I just don't get that goading, bad winner mentality, to go over to a complete stranger who could have been texting anything to anybody to say that, it is just plain weird.

Been the same for 50+yrs
Poor losers and even poorer winners
See below;

 

[CharliePotato]

Boxing events are just full of riled up boozed up coke heads full of bravado, they attract the worst denominator of masculinity who all think they could take anyone in the arena for a fisticuffs in the ring.

Bellew could have jumped down there and sparked them all out if he wanted, would have taught those idiots a life lesson.

Always incidents with boxing fans at those events on both sides of the Atlantic, I'm guessing the smallest infraction or certain slurs sets it off.

Seems the age of mobile phones and social media gives you validation to be a utter prat as well.

Was it Andy Warhol who said "Anyone can be famous for 5 minutes", how true was he decades later, these Idiots harassing celebs will dine on those 5 minutes for the rest of their average lives.

Be good if a few of Tony’s mates where there in the crowd behind him, got a few naughty friends to say the least.

 

[LEONARD]

You've got me on a rant now. Aside from the points above, about asking someone who's won the WBC belt what they've ever won I find the spectacle of approaching famous people, with a camera a really odd phenomenon.

I'm not sure if that's me being a bit misanthropic, but is that not a bit weird.

Like honestly, if I saw Sadio Mane in town, I wouldnt feel the urge to go up to him. The same as if I saw Allan or whatever. It seems completely undignified to me. Like what do you want from it? Do you think hes going to be your mate or whatever? Are people that lonely and sad?

What is beyond that, is to be hurling abuse at famous people, or asking them what they have or havent achieved. Like whatever someone thinks of say Sadio Manes achievements, hes achieved a lot more than I ever will, and honestly 99.9% of people ever will. Same as Tony Bellew. I might not like them, but the idea I'd be in any position to go making a judgement in their career seems baffling to me.

I suppose it's the cape of arrogance that comes from being male and white to a degree.

What I do get though, is that sort of essentially knobheaded behaviour seems to be like a badge of honour for some Kopites to prove you are initiated. It's like the masons or whatever, who make you do something ridiculous to gain entry. Why on earth would you?

Like honestly lad, put the phone down, stop blabbering on inanely about other peoples achievements and get to the gym yourself. That's about the kindest bit of advice anyone could give him.

Leighton Baines once had the seat next to me in Bold Street Coffee.

I briefly looked up from reading Doblin's, Berlin Alexanderplast, but no more.

 

[Lee Smith]

Hat-trick of own goals and subbed off before half-time. I felt bad for her…. then saw she played for Liverpool. Then I just laughed.