ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[Seathestars]

Im not sure about underrate - he has probably been klopps first name on a lot of teamsheets & he (klopp) is ultimately part of the decision making process. If I was to guess, I would say their metrics suggest he is is dropping off & although its hard to assess anyone this year, his performance appear aligned to that.

Re Him V thiago - I appreciate it is an easy out, but I would draw a line through thiago's season this year & judge him on next (very quickly if improvement doesnt kick in) - he played with Fabinho and Henderson twice (i think) and been very impressive, but it has been a mess since then. He has of course contributed, but IMHO he is doing jobs he was not signed to do

Kopite word this
As for the number 4 in your other comment, wasn’t that Stevie Me

 

[catcherintherye]

Two signings that didn't make sense the way Liverpool were playing and getting success with: bypassing midfield and hoofing it long to the three forwards.

The waste is enormous at that club, as you say. A signing like Shaqiri was meant to be their Mahrez type signing and he was so obviously at the low quality end of that type of player. Minamino and Ox-Chamberlain = more ill-fitting signings. Jota and Alisson are about the only two who can be deemed successes they've had in the market in the last couple of years.

When the youngsters dont make up the shortfall you get what happened this season: found out big time.

Their youngsters are a complete myth as well. City under 18's went and bossed their 1st choice 23's for 7 goals recently.

Another interesting thing I've noticed, a coiple of years have passed since they robbed that City dossier. It's funny how the signings have suddenly gone downhill isn't it? Whereas City keep bringing in all of these players to win them more trophies. Essentially short of robbing City's scouting reports they will be back to Ricky Lambert and Borini all over again.

 

[neil999]

Two signings that didn't make sense the way Liverpool were playing and getting success with: bypassing midfield and hoofing it long to the three forwards.

The waste is enormous at that club, as you say. A signing like Shaqiri was meant to be their Mahrez type signing and he was so obviously at the low quality end of that type of player. Minamino and Ox-Chamberlain = more ill-fitting signings. Jota and Alisson are about the only two who can be deemed successes they've had in the market in the last couple of years.

When the youngsters dont make up the shortfall you get what happened this season: found out big time.

Has their recruitment team changed? They have gone from brilliant, great value buys(salah, manah, wijnaldum, Robertson) to overpaying for rubbish, v odd

 

[brieverton]

It seemed like Michael Edwards the DOF couldn't do a thing wrong. Now he can't do anything right.

DOFs are like referees, they are only good when they don't bring attention to themselves.

He'll be on the chopping block shortly.

 

[catcherintherye]

It seemed like Michael Edwards the DOF couldn't do a thing wrong. Now he can't do anything right.

DOFs are like referees, they are only good when they don't bring attention to themselves.

He'll be on the chopping block shortly.

As I say, their signings have really declined a couple of years after they nicked that City dossier (allegedly). Funny that.

 

[catcherintherye]

I just want to highlight a section of the small print of their 20 page accounts, funnily enough not put out there by old posh boy Pearce et al.

"The directors acknowledge that due to the contiued Covid 19 pandemic... there is material uncertainty that exists as a result of the of thecurtailment of the current 20/21 season or the commencement of the 21/22 playing season....therefore this may cast significant doubt on the groups ability to going as a growing concern. Having assessed the mitigating actions and after making enquiries, the Directors are confident that the group can continue its operationl existence for the next 12 months from the date of signing the accounts off".

Now I'm no expert, but in accountancy language I would translate "going concern" etc to essentially read as;

"There are signfiicant financial challenges, if next season were to be delayed, or fans potentially not allowed back in, we might go bust as a business without external help. If everything goes smoothly, we should be alright for another 12 months".

That is quite astonishing to be frank. You dont see many companies with "doubt" raised as to them being a "growing concern".
@roydo is my intepretation of a growing concern reasonable in this instance?

 

[davek]

Has their recruitment team changed? They have gone from brilliant, great value buys(salah, manah, wijnaldum, Robertson) to overpaying for rubbish, v odd

Buvac left Klopp in 2018. Maybe he had input into purchases?

 

[roydo]

I just want to highlight a section of the small print of their 20 page accounts, funnily enough not put out there by old posh boy Pearce et al.

"The directors acknowledge that due to the contiued Covid 19 pandemic... there is material uncertainty that exists as a result of the of thecurtailment of the current 20/21 season or the commencement of the 21/22 playing season....therefore this may cast significant doubt on the groups ability to going as a growing concern. Having assessed the mitigating actions and after making enquiries, the Directors are confident that the group can continue its operationl existence for the next 12 months from the date of signing the accounts off".

Now I'm no expert, but in accountancy language I would translate "going concern" etc to essentially read as;

"There are signfiicant financial challenges, if next season were to be delayed, or fans potentially not allowed back in, we might go bust as a business without external help. If everything goes smoothly, we should be alright for another 12 months".

That is quite astonishing to be frank. You dont see many companies with "doubt" raised as to them being a "growing concern".
@roydo is my intepretation of a growing concern reasonable in this instance?

Not sure why you are asking me!

That said, its not a great surprise, be it a football club or a department store. As in, accounts have to be audited and signed off by accountants, so if they ignored a clear threat to revenues, the accounts woudnt be a credible piece of work.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Im not sure about underrate - he has probably been klopps first name on a lot of teamsheets & he (klopp) is ultimately part of the decision making process. If I was to guess, I would say their metrics suggest he is is dropping off & although its hard to assess anyone this year, his performance appear aligned to that.

Re Him V thiago - I appreciate it is an easy out, but I would draw a line through thiago's season this year & judge him on next (very quickly if improvement doesnt kick in) - he played with Fabinho and Henderson twice (i think) and been very impressive, but it has been a mess since then. He has of course contributed, but IMHO he is doing jobs he was not signed to do

Thank you my friend. May peace be with you

 

[mahermi1]

Liverpool reveal their accounts only £46m in the red ?
Don't remember any big sales last year, spent £75m on Thiago and Jota alone, income drastically reduced, something doesn't quite smell right there.

 

[Dan Tanner]

First day off for 10 days and just been sitting in the garden having a beer and catching up on reading up on my mags, (subscribe to The Viz, Private Eye, Inifinity & New Statesman)

The statesmans latest issue was released literally as the ESL fell apart so it's a sort of at the beginning & middle of its short history.

Jonathan Liew put out a fairly decent article about it...

But nothing mentioned 'The Faux Captain of Captains'... The con-man, the snake oil seller, a scab who turned his back on his fellow men to defend a Billionaire and become a grubby chancer who waited to see how the domino's fell before he chose his spurious path to follow...


No mention of 'Hendos Parapet', but It's great that we are all able to see the exact time when everybody made their statements regarding the attempted destruction of football.
But the only lad with any decency, and in my mind, a decent honest football guy in that god forsaken club, Milner who had the bollox to actually make a statement when it mattered.

Unlike that posturing prick, that spineless weak-willed bellend doing his masters bidding. Which made it 10x worse by that Creepy Cabal of so called fans who lapped it up and applauded Tory Boys fc further into that pit of shame they seem to exist in, much to the absolute disgust of every decent person in this city.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Antics? - Perhaps I was a bit green by not caveating each post by saying, as I did a good few times - "In the event there is no evidence against him" X or Y was the most likely outcome.

Appreciate and understand the anger at the time & Perhaps I should have been more sensitive to it, but the point I made ultimately went on to be correct

An extremely divisive and controversial point of view adopted by you as a new poster on an Everton forum.

One that an Evertonian would never take.

So are you an Evertonian? If not then you’re a troll. Deliberately taking an opposite POV for the sake of arguing.

Which one is it?

 

[roydo]

Liverpool reveal their accounts only £46m in the red ?
Don't remember any big sales last year, spent £75m on Thiago and Jota alone, income drastically reduced, something doesn't quite smell right there.

I think the accounts are before they bought them.

 

[number4.]

Liverpool reveal their accounts only £46m in the red ?
Don't remember any big sales last year, spent £75m on Thiago and Jota alone, income drastically reduced, something doesn't quite smell right there.

its only 3 months of covid - account may 19 - may 20; this time next year will be the majority of the covid accounting

 

[cronullasharks]

Just on this point, a player leaving for nothing has to be put into the context of the contracts they havent been offered. It's not specific to LFC, but a general consideration.

If you look a Wijnaldum for example; signed almost 5 years ago on a 5 year deal at a reported 60k PW (some sites say 40k some say 90k). They could have offered him a new deal in 2018 for another 5 years, but the kicker would be he wants parity (reasonable request) with Jordan Henderson who is on circa 150kPW (again varying reports)

So if you ladder that up in terms of 5 year outlay, that's an incremental increase for three years of 90k + 2 years @150k, totaling just over £31 million in outlay.

My point is not about Gini Wijnaldum specifically, but more the idea of a player leaving on a free is not always a case of financial mismanagement, but sometimes a prudent way of extruding max value from a player

On top of net spend we now have net wages as a way of showing how well the kopites manage their accounts.

If that wasn't a giveaway then calling him Gini definitely is.