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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3



number4. said:
Yeah & sorry, I wasnt trying to be flippant - my point is there were police 4 ft away doing nothing. Go down to Queens sq Bus station and start lobbing stones; safe to say you would be arrested quicly - why was it tolerated last night
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Exactly right that mate. I almost find that more angering than the knobheads who do it. The knobheads who do it, only do it because there's this myriad of people who give them the support to do it. From the fan accounts calling for people to get down there, to the whipping up of hatred towards foreigners and Madrid, all the nonsense about Ramos, then the police who just stand by and don't bother to do anything. They are the people who should be in the dock.

It's like saying you've got some mentally unstable person, and then you have all these poeple around them egging them on, giving them the gun to do it,making it seem like it's alright. Are you shocked when the end result is violence?

Without trying to go all political, the police are a disgrace. I said on twitter earlier, these same police officers trampled on the flowers to a woman one of their officers murdered having let the same officers off a few days earlier for flashing. They also arrested women for attending a peaeful vigil in an aggressive and brutal manner. Yet here, faced with white men, they just stand off and let missiles fly, people not be socially distancing, no masks etc etc. It's a masive double standard.

The club statement is fair enough but those banned needs to go beyond just who through things, towho egged them on, who cheered, who's online now downplayingthe incident. None of them should be allowed to watch football again. How many people do you think they ban though? They'll just turn a blind eye and wonder why it will all happen again.
 
number4. said:
me? not in the slightest - I think it will hurt football, which is an entirely different debate. I've shared my views on that an not doing it again
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I’ve had a quick look for your views.
Can see plenty of your posts about City, United and Spurs.
Plenty of posts about our new ground.
Millions of posts in this thread and yet only a handful about our players in the Everton forum.

Each to their own I suppose.
 
Toast said:
I’ve had a quick look for your views.
Can see plenty of your posts about City, United and Spurs.
Plenty of posts about our new ground.
Millions of posts in this thread and yet only a handful about our players in the Everton forum.

Each to their own I suppose.
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And Ive also been critiscised for posting too much about specific Everton players. Not biting -sorry
 
catcherintherye said:
Exactly right that mate. I almost find that more angering than the knobheads who do it. The knobheads who do it, only do it because there's this myriad of people who give them the support to do it. From the fan accounts calling for people to get down there, to the whipping up of hatred towards foreigners and Madrid, all the nonsense about Ramos, then the police who just stand by and don't bother to do anything. They are the people who should be in the dock.

It's like saying you've got some mentally unstable person, and then you have all these poeple around them egging them on, giving them the gun to do it,making it seem like it's alright. Are you shocked when the end result is violence?

Without trying to go all political, the police are a disgrace. I said on twitter earlier, these same police officers trampled on the flowers to a woman one of their officers murdered having let the same officers off a few days earlier for flashing. They also arrested women for attending a peaeful vigil in an aggressive and brutal manner. Yet here, faced with white men, they just stand off and let missiles fly, people not be socially distancing, no masks etc etc. It's a masive double standard.

The club statement is fair enough but those banned needs to go beyond just who through things, towho egged them on, who cheered, who's online now downplayingthe incident. None of them should be allowed to watch football again. How many people do you think they ban though? They'll just turn a blind eye and wonder why it will all happen again.
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Completely agree & in fairness, I have no real issue with the idea of a peaceful bus welcome (covid permitting obviously) - but along with all your points on policing which are spot on; where the hell is the crowd policing the crowd.

I now your deealing with a different breed; but how was there not someone pulling some of those pr*cks out and dealing with them - that is the most messed up part of it for me. Its as many say sub human
 

catcherintherye said:
I really don't know where to start with this heap of racist nonsense. It would be appreciated if you could actually answer the questions set out logically, rather than giving us the benefit of your prejudicial opinions- which with respect, nobody is really interested in. Racists opinions don't matter. Lets try and comb through the nonsense a bit though.

On Kopites being racist. You are a good examplar. You have just stated you don't believe either black footballers when reporting racism. "You trust Evra" well given what we know about racism- that black people will not be lying when reporting it- and that a panel of white people from an organisation that rarely finds anyone racist agreed with him, it is overwhelming evidence that he is trustworthy. They have corroborated his account. Now tell me, what is it about Patrice Evra (the black man) that you find untrustworthy?

Believing victims of racism, and viewing their accounts as trustworthy and credible is really a bit of an entry level of finding out if someone is racist. You may still be racist and do the above, but it's a good 1st hurdle most racists fall down upon. It's no surprise you, and most Kopites fall down on it as well.

The fact the club, on finding out had an employee who racially abused someone championed him, stuck him on the players shirts, made him a hero because of it, put their manager out to lie on TV about him not shaking said racists hands and then refused to cut all ties with said manager shows a very clear pathway of a toxic, racist organisation. Indeed I believe that the said manager who wore one of those T Shirts is still allowed to attend matches, and has even had a stand named after him? I mean I could go on, but again, the case is overwhelming.

I have no idea why you are interested in where I am from? Would me being from Liverpool mean that opposing racism is any more or less palatable? It has no relevence. I don't live in Liverpool, it's no secret. However your hypthesis about people from Liverpool is completely wrong. All of my family on both sides still live in the City. Both of my parents are proud scousers, and brought me up to be proud of the city I'm from but also recognise it's limitations, and the hangover of racism/ and the unethical relationshipthe city had with slavery. I was lucky to be brought up by two scousers, who found racism abhorrent, and loathed people who were racist, whether they were from Liverpool or anywhere else. I have enormous respect for the City, and consider it a spiritual home, but that doesn't extend to defending grubby little racists like you.

As for the nicknake for Liverpool that was used in the 80's, I'd really ask why you are using language like that (over and above the fact you've outed yourself as a racist). Liverpool fans used to go to the match in the 80's where KKK outfits. John Barnes was given the nickname "digger" on account of it rhyming with a racist slur (not a very funny joke, but I'm sure you'll have a go at justifying it). Grobelaar went to christmas parties in a KKK outfit. A section of Everton fans would throw bananas at John Barnes and a small number would even take pride in Everton being White (which was of course untrue as we had black players up to the 60's, but you know racists are idiots so as we see with you it's hard to really reason with them). The key part of this is it's all abhorrent and wrong, and would want anyone associated with this to never watch Everton or Liverpool again.

The difference is though, Everton players didn't wear on their warm up T Shirts a picture of someone convicted of racism. They didn't issue phrases like "do you trust Barnes" with the racist insinuation that black people aren't trustworthy. Aside from all of that, you've already stated that you feel it's out of order for people to hate those from Liverpool partaking in racist abuse, so in your bigoted little world we should not have a pop at them, as we don't want to criticise people from the city. I personally think racism should be stamped out wherever it's from, but I'm not a racist so I would say that.

"America is not racist". I really don't even know where to start with that. If you have even the slightest understnding of America's past, or what America is suffering now with the swathes of Black Lives Matter protests and a police force murdering black people (60 years ago they would just lynch them) to putting the children of Mexican immigrants into camps away from their parents and then not allowing them to see them again etc you'd understand what an idiotic statement this is. But then, you're racist, you support Liverpool, so we have to give some credence to the idea that racism, slavery, segregation, camps will not be seen as wrong by you, but as normal, reasonable policies. Only a fairly hardened racist would view America as not racist.

On Sheikh Mansour, he and Manchester City were cleared of wrongdoing. You have probably made your mind up on him as he's not white (in the same way you have with Patrice Evra, Mason Holgate, the victims of racism in America etc etc) so you're not going to be able to understand it, but he was cleared of wrongdoing in a European court.

As for Mansour and "his ilk" (what do you mean by this, other Arabs) if so it's another racist comment. But yes, UAE is terribly exploitative. They learnt from the best (America and Britain) but yet you don't see either as racist, so I'm a bit sceptical that you are really bothered about the racism within those societies, or you are merely upset they are not white.

As for other Evertonians thinking I'm like Goebells, I do find that very hard to believe. I find it hard to believe any Evertonian would give you the time of day, that you've got many mates (most racists tend to be sad, lonely, pathetic creatures, embittered at the world around them) and the comparison is completely absurd. Goebells was a proponent of the most brutal type of racism, and wanted to slaughter every Jewish person alive. I have have a long term partnership/relationship with a Jewish woman from a family of people who were nearly wiped out by Goebells policies and ideas. The two things are complete opposites, which anyone can see. I'm sure lots of Evertonians would dislike lots of things about me, but I doubt any would think the Goebells comparison would fit.

Just going off the thousands of Evertonians on this site, none seem to like you and almost everyone who is commenting seems to agree with me. Which seems to be a better indicator than you and your imaginary friends.

As a final aside, please don't keep sending me private messages. I really don't have anything to say to people like you. As a rule I believe in a no platform approach. People like you, with your cancerous ideas shouldn't be able to air them publicly without being in fear. It's a great shame we don't live in a society whereby people like you are not more scared to be able to spout their poison. I can assure you, I really don't have any interest in conversing with you.

Hopefully this has cut through some of the insane, offensive nonsense you've put up. I would advise you take your hate and racism elsewhere, as it's not welcome here, and it's not welcome anywhere amongst civilised society.
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lol lol lol
 
catcherintherye said:
They were comfortably knocked out yesterday. I'm surprised the narrative is that they created loads of chances. It's hard to think of a single good save Courtois had to make, he may have had 2 or 3 regulation ones, but thats it. The Xg showed the game to be a 1-1 sort of game (in fairness Liverpool slightly over 1 Madrid slightly under 1) but even that is generous to Liverpool, as most of their shots were happening with 5/6/7 Madrid players in the way (which Xg doesn't pick up).

The best chances in the game fell to Madrid, as did the moment going closest to scoring, The best chances were Vinicious 1 on 1 where he just has to lift it over Alisson, or the Benema free header from about 4 yards. They were also inches away from tap ins on at least 2 occasions (which againwas closer than anything Liverpool managed). The closest either team came was Madrid hitting the post.

Liverpool huffed and puffed as usual but never really got close to scoring, and really outside of the early Salah decent chance never really created anything clear cut at all. Madrid created higher quality chances while not really trying to attack for most of the game. Had Madrid needed to go through the gears, as they did in the 1st game, you always felt goals were there for them. They didn't need to, so they conserved energy and got the 0-0 they were after. Thts the difference with big clubs like Madrid going for multiple trophies, they think long term. It's an injury ravaged squad, so you always have half an eye ion the next fixtures. Don't waste energy on a team like Liverpool when you might need more in future games for the league title. If you can win but playing in 2nd gear, just do that instead.

As for Liverpool, the big omission is Thiago. Klopp went all in on him and has now not played him in the biggest games, preferring a clogger like Milner who's 36. They are probably paying Thiago-with bonuses 400k per week. The idea that he's further down the pecking order than Milner will be extremely worrying I'm sure. When he came on, the pressure dissipated as well. Sies just go back to playing through Liverpool easily. He doesn't suit the style of what they want at all, and frankly he got shown up by Modric last night who showed him how you control and run a game, even in your mid 30's. Thiago is not that level of player, he never has been, and he never will be. He had a great 6 months, but thats about it.

It's also amusing to see the much fabled Jota come on and fluff his lines again. He's a decent player but christ he's been overly built up again. He also made them worse last night. I like Jota, he's good, but he's not great never mind world class. Real Madrid's 4th choice right back basically stuck him in his pocket last night.

So overall an enjoyable watch. Another year, another 350m spent on wages (in the top 5 of Europe) and another season with absolutely nothing to show for it. I make that 6 years Klopp's been there, 23 potential trophies, and he's won 2, while having one of the biggest wage bills in Europe in the process. You'd think the more logical in their fanbase will start to ask some questions soon.
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I think that he'll be like Jelavic for us or Papiss Demba Cisse for Newcastle. Arrived and made a massive impact then went a bit meh.
 
number4. said:
Completely agree & in fairness, I have no real issue with the idea of a peaceful bus welcome (covid permitting obviously) - but along with all your points on policing which are spot on; where the hell is the crowd policing the crowd.

I now your deealing with a different breed; but how was there not someone pulling some of those pr*cks out and dealing with them - that is the most messed up part of it for me. Its as many say sub human
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I mean I'm not sure what "welcoming" a bus really gets. That sort of stuff needs knocking on the head, especially away from the ground.

However the point you make is a good one. Where were the people chinning them for lashing stuff? I didn't see any, I just saw people cheering. I have less respect for those who stand around doing nothing as the knobheads who partake in that behaviour.
 

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