ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[catcherintherye]

He was hated by the powerbase of cycling (Belgium, France, Italy) because he was an outsider and he was arguably not that good off the gear. As you prob know PEDs don't give a uniform extra 10% to everyone, there's a distribution of responses, so you got water carriers like Bjarne Riis winning grand tours in the 90s.

The RS defying medical science is a conundrum but I think it's perfectly OK to just look at this from a broader common-sense perspective - the biggest sport in the world, by participation, commercialisation, audience, you name it, has zero issues with PEDs? When niche sports like pro-cycling that no one cares about, relatively speaking, are going to town on them? Clearly something has to be up there.

Yes maybe mate. There is a difference between saying in terms of probability someone could be cheating, to saying that's evidence they are.

 

[number4.]

I'm not really sure he was hated. I mean maybe it was just my age group, but most people I knew had his live strong band and he was enormously respected. We had school assemblies on how wonderful he was etc. To be honest, the appreciation went far beyond any football club, particularly Liverpool, whoa re far more hated than Armstrong was (even if my experience was a bit niche). He was big business though, and it didn't protect him.

I think we have to be really careful with football. The initial idea if one team does it they all do is a sort of fatalistic statement that is quite dangerous. Likewise so too are some of the suggestions re Leicester or Liverpool. It's not my thing to engage in them. If I see solid evidence I'll make a firm comment, but until then I go for the innocent until guilty line where all are concerned.

You're right, there is little evidence and it is probably pointless to speculate/

 

[catcherintherye]

You're right, there is little evidence and it is probably pointless to speculate/

It's fair enough. People are entitled to their opinion. My opinion is though, I just urr on the side of caution.

Confidence, enjoyment, belief etc makes players run through brick walls.

 

[bigjonny]

Looks like Gomez has done a tendon in his knee, same as Gbamin did, and kept him out from August to June. Obviously some complications for Gbamin but could well be injured until next season.

If it’s his Patellar tendon then that’s different than Gbamin as that was his Quadriceps tendon. What would be interesting to know, if you’re geeky enough, is did he have his ACL repaired a few years ago with a Patellar tendon graft and was it this side that’s injured now that it was taken from ?.

 

[number4.]

It's fair enough. People are entitled to their opinion. My opinion is though, I just urr on the side of caution.

Confidence, enjoyment, belief etc makes players run through brick walls.

I'd agree and the motivation of a manager is a massive thing. By nature I am particularly cynical & I find myself question what we are watching at times. As mentioned previously, the biggest ever European doping "bust" the fuentes case had huge links to football all swept under the carpet.

 

[urquattro]

Hahaha

 

[PITA]

Somebody, or probably 2 or 3 somebodies are really to bunk up their prices when Klopp comes calling in Jan

Which means that Klopp will have to do without because he never spends big.

 

[catcherintherye]

If it’s his Patellar tendon then that’s different than Gbamin as that was his Quadriceps tendon. What would be interesting to know, if you’re geeky enough, is did he have his ACL repaired a few years ago with a Patellar tendon graft and was it this side that’s injured now that it was taken from ?.

If it's the patellar I suspecy it might actually be worse than the quadriceps. It's close to the foot and used more in different motions in football.

As for the 2nd part, no idea really,however if it were used from that, then it will probably make the recovery longer.

 

[chrismpw]

A rs I know on Facebook was proudly showing some pictures of new building that was being bigged up by the club. A training complex or something for them to worship.

All I commented on was the disabled parking slots they had in the foreground and asked if they were for their back four.

Miserable sod didn't rise to the epic bantz. lol

 

[arch stanton]

A rs I know on Facebook was proudly showing some pictures of new building that was being bigged up by the club. A training complex or something for them to worship.

All I commented on was the disabled parking slots they had in the foreground and asked if they were for their back four.

Miserable sod didn't rise to the epic bantz. lol

I bet the car park cant be too far away from the changies otherwise all the asthmatics wont be able to walk all that far

 

[davek]

Problem with the doped-to-their-gills hypothesis is that everyone in the prem would have to be doing it, with large scale tacit acceptance from those in charge (tacit acceptance from the fans is a given). Like Lance Armstrong was a prominent cheat in an ocean of cheats - the entire peloton was on EPO late nineties and it was fully endorsed by all teams and tacitly accepted by the UCI.
Given the testing regime in prem football is actually half-decent, seems unlikely one club could go out on a limb here.

Weight loss drugs could be massive in football and seem easier to blur into the grey area of permitted medications. I reckon we'd all be surprised if we stood next to some of these centre half or centre forward 'beasts.' Prob a lot slimmer and slighter than you think.

Leaving aside the asthma drug accusations for a second - it's easy to see how one team could be trying to get an edge where no others would follow suit. It depends on who are employed as doctors and fitness coordinators and their preferred methods. Look at Liverpool's use of caffeine: a drug that's in and out of the WADA proscribed list. A team could hammer it's use when it's deemed ok. I think Liverpool are maximising use of this in one of the drugs non-proscribed periods (it's a performance enhancer that's a constant in WADAs monitoring programme). Liverpool's conditioning team choose this as one of their ways of getting their edge. Bordereline legal at the moment. So, clubs can act alone and it needn't be standard practice.

Ditto with any misuse of asthma drugs if that's what they're using...and from what I can make out they have a lot more players diagnosed with it.

 

[degsy]

If it's the patellar I suspecy it might actually be worse than the quadriceps. It's close to the foot and used more in different motions in football.

As for the 2nd part, no idea really,however if it were used from that, then it will probably make the recovery longer.

Re Gomez, Am I thinking about the wrong player, were there allegations of drugs, beak, avoiding testing, some other none injury reason why he was absent for a period?

 

[NathDogg]

Re Gomez, Am I thinking about the wrong player, were there allegations of drugs, beak, avoiding testing, some other none injury reason why he was absent for a period?

That was Nathaniel clyne wasn't it? Now at palace?

Those back injuries he had were back of the nose injuries - bang into the beak.*

* cough "Allegedly mlud" Cough cough!

 

[Seathestars]

Have they claimed Sutcliffe yet

 

[Jacob]

Regards the hand wringing and media melodrama over the RS supposed fixture glut, I was thinking about our fixture congestion 35 years ago in '85. Between 4 -18th May, we played 4 League games, The European Cup Winners Cup Final in Holland and 3 days later The FACup Final at Wembley v them. Yet lo and behold, its a new problem thats arisen in the last couple of weeks. Theres me thinking they were previously blaming two of our players for two of their injuries too.