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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

I will have both ;)
You'd have the one full of passion and crowds and fanfare rather than the one that was a disrupted season played in part behind closed doors with zero atmosphere to celebrate it in as the country cowered away indoors.

Of course you would...ANYONE would.


It should have been null and voided....THAT is why we call it the asterisk season....and rightly so.
 

The thing about the added time is once again just so hypocritical by that lot. If it was the other way round the anfield crowd would be lapping up any long goal kicks by alison, many many ipads would be out to capture the moment. It just stinks, they want the rules changing to suit them everytime. Then they roll out the 'well acktually its minimum of 5 minutes' as if they are a bunch of footballing geniuses they make me sick

I hate to be that guy but it's technically "minimum of 5 minutes". Not exactly 5 minutes but yeah.

:Blink:
 
"Minimum of 5" trending on twatter.

Said before...there's been leg breaks and major injuries that haven't totalled 8mins if added time. They also got 2 additional minutes in the first half.

So they had 10mins extra in total. Not a chance on earth there was 3 additional minutes.

If I were Howe I'd be getting an assistant to time the game and got at the refs full beans in the presser
If I was Lampard before we play liverpool I would say I brought in my own team of reputable and honest referee assessors to watch the game and I will be taking their advice if I walk the players off .
 
#​
Team
P​
W​
D​
L​
Goals​
Diff​
Pts
1​
Liverpool FC, England
Liverpool FC
29​
27​
1​
1​
66:21​
45​
82​
2​
Manchester City, England
Manchester City
29​
19​
3​
7​
71:31​
40​
60​
3​
Leicester City, England
Leicester City
29​
16​
5​
8​
58:28​
30​
53​
4​
Chelsea FC, England
Chelsea FC
29​
14​
6​
9​
51:39​
12​
48​
5​
Manchester United, England
Manchester United
29​
12​
9​
8​
44:30​
14​
45​
6​
Sheffield United, England
Sheffield United
29​
11​
11​
7​
30:25​
5​
44​

That was the table when lockdown happened (City were actually on 57 from 28 games). The league was done. Hence why so many were calling for 'null and void' before it started up again
Got nothing to do with it , the rules was changed to give liverpool a title, they clearly stated all games to be played by a certain date, the season was null and void, tainted ain't in it.
 
Got nothing to do with it , the rules was changed to give liverpool a title, they clearly stated all games to be played by a certain date, the season was null and void, tainted ain't in it.
Exactly rules were changed mid way through the season, it is fully deserving of an * no matter who won the title. It's just obviously funnier that Liverpool won it and it has been instantly memory holed as for 99% fans it was a jarg season with little meaning.
 

Exactly rules were changed mid way through the season, it is fully deserving of an * no matter who won the title. It's just obviously funnier that Liverpool won it and it has been instantly memory holed as for 99% fans it was a jarg season with little meaning.
This is why I enjoy telling them if they're such a big club why haven't they won the league for over 30 years
 
You'd have the one full of passion and crowds and fanfare rather than the one that was a disrupted season played in part behind closed doors with zero atmosphere to celebrate it in as the country cowered away indoors.

Of course you would...ANYONE would.


It should have been null and voided....THAT is why we call it the asterisk season....and rightly so.
This should have happened because at that moment in the covid timeline, a major contribution to the spread of the virus was identified as the people mixing and travelling . So we were all stopped. Pushing on to finish a game despite those risks are incomprehensible
 

They just don’t ever get any negative sentiment at all though. Even when they were having a rubbish season (cycling off) during covid they still managed to win loads in a row to end up in third with their keeper scoring a last minute headed winner.

Every time you think they’re on the verge of a slight bit of pressure being applied to Klopp or certain players there’s always some miracle or ridiculous decision to bail them out and they then get themselves back. When they lost the first CL final to Madrid and lost the league the season after despite being miles in front it was all fine because no worries Barca will miss a sitter for 4-0 then implode to a Liverpool B team 4-0 at Anfield and then they’ll get Spurs in a CL final and a dodgy pen in the first few minutes.

It was all the way back to Klopp’s first full season and Emre Can hitting an overhead kick outside the box to get them into the CL by the skin of their teeth. It doesn’t matter what happens to that lot they always come out of it with fireworks going off and the car horns going, every time. They should be having a load of media inquests now about what a poor start they’ve had but instead it’s all glory glory and the start of another winning run. Every time they’re in a jam they get presented with a get out of jail card. Days from administration and here’s some new owners to wipe out the debt and start spending all over again. It never ever comes home to roost for them.
True, horrible,lucky bstards that can't do any wrong in the sycophantic media eyes.
 
This should have happened because at that moment in the covid timeline, a major contribution to the spread of the virus was identified as the people mixing and travelling . So we were all stopped. Pushing on to finish a game despite those risks are incomprehensible
Itv was a *title that was bought at a terrible price.
 
"wouldn't have won that with stadiums full"

What are you on about? They were 25 points clear when the pandemic happened and behind closed doors footy started. They dropped something like 5 points in 30 games with stadiums full.
Hard to take anything you say seriously when you post utter bollox like that. Negates anything sensible you have to say
Sadly it will just have to be one of them “we will never know” situations, it will be interesting to see if they ever push on again and compete to win an actual PL trophy - I think a lot of their fans will be yearning for that after getting a taste of the Covid Cup
 
Carragher defending his mate in the Telegraph today. He can’t avoid using Frank as a comparison, despite the fact that there’s no comparison at all.

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English football has been desperate for its own Pep Guardiola – a superstar player who will become a superstar coach.

Aston Villa appointed Steven Gerrard hoping he would become that figure. Villa’s chief executive Christian Purslow knew if he did not act to lure Gerrard from Rangers, it was only a matter of time before a Premier League rival did.

Now Gerrard is enduring his first wobble in management, a question is being asked more frequently: was it too soon for Gerrard to move from Scotland to Villa?

Obviously, I would say no. It felt like the right move for all parties last October even if the coach and board are fighting to keep their long-term plans on track.

As a coach, Gerrard will be first to admit he is a work in progress. Including his time at Liverpool’s academy, he has only been in management for five years.



Villa took a calculated gamble when making the appointment, investing in a coach whose peak is years ahead. The risk when giving so much responsibility to one so inexperienced is they have to learn on the job. That means mistakes are inevitable and the club has to be prepared to tolerate bumps in the road in the hope and expectation that short-term pain will bring long-term gain.

That said, Gerrard has been long enough in football to know results are everything. That is the only way to buy time. He needs to see on-field improvement and fast. The Premier League is ruthless, as Scott Parker can testify having been sacked four games into the season.



Gerard was typically honest when asked about his Villa future after the most recent defeat to Arsenal. "If I stood here and said I wasn't concerned I think you'd look at me as though I was from a different planet," he said.

After Manchester City's visit to Villa this weekend, the next four games look pivotal in giving a more accurate impression as to where the team is heading. Villa play Leicester City, Southampton, Leeds United and Nottingham Forest.

Given he got the job on the back of Dean Smith losing five consecutive games, Gerrard understands what the consequences will be if he cannot turn this run around. He has lost four of the last five with every chance of that becoming five from six given City’s form. That will ramp up the pressure heading into a critical spell. When a negative momentum begins it becomes difficult to reverse it.

Having fans jeer him – as happened after Villa’s loss to West Ham last weekend – is a new experience for someone so revered in his playing career.

There is an interesting contrast between Gerrard’s current stock with Villa fans and Frank Lampard with Everton’s. While Gerrard is trying to retain his fanbase’s support, Lampard’s name is chanted at every Everton game.



What is the difference? Both have the same number of points this season, and over the course of their short spells in charge even Lampard will admit his side is still a long way from where he wants them to be.

But while Evertonians were relieved Lampard was appointed ahead of Vitor Pereira – and understood the difficulties he faced reconstructing the team – from day one there has always been a sense that there was a solid foundation upon which to build at Villa.



Smith finished 11th in 2020-21, and for a long stretch of that season European qualification looked possible. There was no clamour for him to be sacked from the hardcore Villa fans who saw Smith as one of their own. It felt like the club wanted a change more than their supporters.

Villa lost stardust on the pitch when Jack Grealish joined Manchester City. With Gerrard, they have it on the touchline. With respect to Smith, Gerrard’s appointment elevated Villa’s profile to a global stage.

While Lampard has had an opportunity to manage Chelsea so is not viewed with suspicion by Evertonians as mapping out stages of his career, Gerrard has been fighting the perception that Villa is a stepping stone towards the ultimate goal of becoming Liverpool manager.

Gerrard's commitment to Villa cannot be doubted

That is unfair. Wherever he goes, he cannot erase memories of his career or his feelings towards the club with which he will be most synonymous. But anyone doubting his commitment to whatever task he is given seriously underestimates him.

What Gerrard is going through now is one of the reasons many top players are put off management. Yes, the rewards are exceptionally good but your reputation is always on the line, your qualities constantly analysed and re-analysed to the point where the characteristics once referenced to praise you become ammunition for critics.



Take the example of Gerrard signing Philippe Coutinho. When the Brazilian joined Villa on loan it was presented as the kind of coup only a manager with Gerrard’s kudos could have inspired.

Now, because Coutinho has not delivered beyond his initial, encouraging promise, his signing is seen negatively, and one which had Gerrard’s fingerprints over it, especially as he is being picked ahead of Emi Buendía. What looked at the time to be a no-brainer deal will be remembered as a waste of the club’s resources unless Coutinho starts producing.

It is too soon to completely dismiss that signing as a mistake, but he certainly needs to start justifying his salary.



However, the other major issue of the summer – stripping Tyrone Mings of the captaincy – became much bigger than it needed to be.

I suspect Gerrard picked up a valuable lesson in the fall-out to the Mings situation: do not create unnecessary headlines out of the factors you can control because there are enough of them to deal with from those you cannot.

When Gerrard had a fully fit squad and Mings was not in the starting XI, John McGinn would have been captain anyway. There would have been less fuss if he decided to let McGinn retain the armband if and when Mings played his way back into the line-up. Now, on the back of a poor start to the season, the handling of it has become one of the sticks with which to beat the manager.

When will patience run out at Villa Park?

The question is, how much patience is there at Villa? Purslow put his reputation on the line in securing Gerrard and the manager will start feeling the heat when it starts coming from the hierarchy as much as the stands.

Whatever happens, Gerrard will be a better, more knowledgeable and streetwise coach on the day he leaves Villa than he was on the day he joined. That is the enduring irony of modern management. The greatest, elite coaches say they learned more from their failures than successes.

For his sake, Gerrard needs a shift in momentum to ensure it is Villa – not his next club – reaping the rewards of what he is learning during his current difficulties.
 
I think lifting that league title in front of an empty disco is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in football. You're so entitled that you think winning the league is your birthright but you haven't won it for three full decades. Then when your chance comes around, it gets halted in surreal circumstances and all of a sudden the integrity of the season is gone. The season resumes three months later with public interest in football at its lowest ever ebb and everyone pouring scorn on you for trying to furlough some staff on minimum wage whilst paying others £200k-per-week. Finally you get to lift the trophy but it's in front of a dead goldfish and a balloon. You aren't even allowed out to celebrate. Then, the next time you're allowed to fill your stadium, you ain't champions anymore. And you can't even pretend that winning it again will be a unique experience without taking away the legitimacy of the * title.
 

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