ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

[artetas_biggest_fan]

I am not impressed with their game but it does get results. So how tactically do you set up against them to nullify them? I used to say if teams could keep them at 0-0 for 20 minutes they would tire themselves out. But they don't. They can kick and run and do this press stuff for 90 plus minutes.
Playing off side is dangerous and they love that as it ups their chances of a break.
Staying back leaves them the space to get free kicks in a dangerous area.
Once the system to play and punish them becomes proved they will not have a plan B.
Van Dyke won the cup almost single handed and does his job very well. Nothing fancy he just wins the ball 99% of the time, and leaves what happens after that to others. Take him out and they would ship goals.

Think there’s been three people responsible for the transformation in defence. The keeper, Van Dijk, and Fabinho. You have to have quality in all those three positions otherwise you will ship goals.

Good gk and central defender but weak protection in midfield? You will get cut open with chances aplenty created. Good central defender and defensive mid but weak keeper? You will concede from a high proportion of shots. Good gk and defensive mid but weak central defender? The opposing striker will have a field day with poor marking.

They had Van Dijk last January, they still shipped plenty in the second half of 2017-18. The semi against Roma they were ropey as [Poor language removed]..finished 7-6. The final, well we saw what happened there, There was no protection infront of the back 4 so balls could get played through easily, there was also Karius in nets who spilled weak shots.

Of the three, I actually think the one who has made the biggest difference is the keeper, the real man of the match in the final. They lose both the Barca semi and the final against Spurs if he’s not in goal. When he saves, he generally either holds the ball, or parries it away from danger (round the post, or along the sidelines). When the ilk of Karius actually make a save, it’s often parried back into the danger zone. Then there’s his distribution (I’ve since seen the second goal against Spurs, he initiated the attack when he throws it past the halfway line which the jock runs onto and subsequently wins the corner). Karius in goal, there’s no setting up any attack...they remain under the cosh instead.

 

[CouchPotato]

'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.' - Bill Shankly.

I am not replying to you. I am merely quoting you because you quoted Shankly.

They won the champions league that got them close to 100m pounds. They came second in the league that gave them 152m pounds. Together they got a quarter of a billion. With a B. Imagine how much the owners got the club for in 2009? Or 2010? 300m pounds. And we are debating about Miralles, Williams, Walcott or Mata or Tosun or whoever the hell we are linked with. I have never been a fan of any "mainstream" team. I am not even from England. I support a second division team that I have been doing so for over 22 years now. But I want my club to emulate success. I want them to build up from its grassroots level. I want them to involve all sections of fans and show some progress on the pitch so that the club is seen on a world map. And we do so by focussing on whats important to us. We still make fun of the other teams in my city. We still drive them mad. But we do so by knowing who we are and where we are. People living in glass houses and all that.

I had a discussion with @davek about the type of fans we are.I respect his posts and his idealogies. The same with @Yarrgh. I disagree with their approach. But I respect it. Its their prerogatives. I could debate it. But its still theirs. We, as a club, have become to be a club where we see Liverpool where they are. And because we are not critical of our position, we criticize them. If anything, their success should catalyze the fanbase to demand more from our owners. We need that to emulate our successes from the 70s and 80s and build a sort of a healthy rivalry with Liverpool. Once I created my profile here, I went through some bit of a reading about Evertons history from the 70s and 80s. Your Southall, Stevens, Wilson, Ball, Sheedy, Dean, Lineker, Lawton, Gascoigne and all those who made that 70s and 80s and to some extent, the 90s, happen.

Thats exactly what I want out of my team. I wish the same for Everton. To dream big, achieve big.

 

[Methuselah]

'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.' - Bill Shankly.

Met Bill Shankly once, when he was manager of Huddersfield Town (late 1950's). He introduced me to a young lad stood next to him saying 'let me introduce you to a future Scottish international'. At the time, I had no idea who the lad was, didn't recognise the name - Denis Law!

 

[Westend Blue]

There style isn’t really all that it’s designed to punish other teams mistakes in transition or on the counter. Continental teams are too slow to adapt and in England teams try to play there way out of it or [Poor language removed] the bed.

We took it too then twice last year and considerably unlucky to get a result at the pit.
Keep things tight and compact and they run out of ideas. There full backs and VVD papered over a lot of cracks by providing the quality ball that there midfield lacked.

I’m actually glad they don’t have coutinho anymore he was the only one in that team full of bog average midfield yard dogs capable of threading a through ball.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

I dunno, i hate them as much as you all do, but can't fail to see the side they are building. Quality in all areas.

 

[edge]

I dunno, i hate them as much as you all do, but can't fail to see the side they are building. Quality in all areas.

True and you can bet they will add to it this summer , only thing is Man city will as well so hope at least they stay ahead of them can't see anyone else getting near those two

 

[Yarrgh]

I dunno, i hate them as much as you all do, but can't fail to see the side they are building. Quality in all areas.

I think it is a system that can be thwarted and frustrated. Liverpool's style is suited to sparing use to catch teams out. Something that we need to add to our arsenal. Having said that, 2nd and CL winners means that it isn't being worked out all that quickly. I'll be worried if they add to that midfield and don't lose their quick counterattacking threat.

Still suspect that they will fall flat next season.

 

[Prevenger17]

I dunno, i hate them as much as you all do, but can't fail to see the side they are building. Quality in all areas.

Ah yeah, can't deny they're a good side. Nowhere near as attractive and free flowing as City, but they have some great togger merchants in there. Still a massive bunch of bellends though

 

[Toast]

Nick Knowles: DIY SOS host banned from driving

The DIY SOS host is also fined after he admitted speeding and using a mobile phone at the wheel.

www.bbc.co.uk

When you read the amount being fined, it's surely a Kopite judge.

 

[MikeH72]

Maybe for a season, maybe for 2, but eventually... Dortmunded.

Next year is the one for me when Klopp goes bananas. Can't wait for it now. It's going to be very special indeed. I just hope Everton do their part and are doing well when he pops.

They're not finishing below 2nd in the league and are going deep into the CL again I'm afraid. We just have to hope someone knocks Porto out at the group stage so they can't get them again, and hope the big blue City machine rolls on.

 

[Death]

I dunno, i hate them as much as you all do, but can't fail to see the side they are building. Quality in all areas.

@Toast can we do an extensive Google on the name Bryan in pop culture. @Prevenger17 prepare the finger to be a sugary brown/pink mess.

 

[Toast]

@Toast can we do an extensive Google on the name Bryan in pop culture. @Prevenger17 prepare the finger to be a sugary brown/pink mess.

All you will find are images of knives and stabbed bodies if you are going after Bryan mate..

 

[Death]

All you will find are images of knives and stabbed bodies if you are going after Bryan mate..

Connections to the colour Red. Ok stick a pin in that lead. We need more. Doing gods work toast.

 

[Toast]

Connections to the colour Red. Ok stick a pin in that lead. We need more. Doing gods work toast.

Bryan is a million percent a blue mate.

 

[marsh]

Be interesting to see how they do next season as surely they can't be as good again and there fans expectations have just gone up even higher