dont expect loans...

ijjysmith · December 23, 2011

Woolly Blue said:
Â£500 in cash, used notes ?

Â£501?

Matt Damon · December 23, 2011

*looks down back of sofa

billycopper · December 23, 2011

Kenwrights Hen Night said:
nice one billycooper.

so if drenthe signs a pre contract, we would be able to take another 2 long term loans, maybe pienaar and a striker. That charlie davis lad from america would be the same as donovan and maynard could be signed on a permanent basis.

My understanding of it is that Drenthe would still count as a loan unless Madrid release him early and we sign him permanently. So, we'd only have one slot available.

Woolly Blue · December 23, 2011

ijjysmith said:
Â£501?

Due to being cheeky, the offer's been reduced to Â£250 now mate. We have kids, I've played this game before.

Matt Damon · December 23, 2011

billycopper said:
My understanding of it is that Drenthe would still count as a loan unless Madrid release him early and we sign him permanently. So, we'd only have one slot available.

Yeah. A pre-contract isn't a full transfer of registration. Therefore the player would still be under loan until the contract expired and he actually signed a contract.

The only way is we pay Madrid off to release him early (q.v. Pienaar -> Spurs)

Woolly Blue · December 23, 2011

billycopper said:
It will only be a temporary transfer of registration (loan). If we're lucky, Madrid might decide just to release him from the last 6 months of his contract.

Ahh right, thanks for that lad.

ijjysmith · December 23, 2011

Woolly Blue said:
Due to being cheeky, the offer's been reduced to Â£250 now mate. We have kids, I've played this game before.

What?!

I'll take it

billycopper · December 23, 2011

Matt Damon said:
Yeah. A pre-contract isn't a full transfer of registration. Therefore the player would still be under loan until the contract expired and he actually signed a contract.

The only way is we pay Madrid off to release him early (q.v. Pienaar -> Spurs)

With money being as tight as it is, I couldn't see us paying to get him early. I'm not even that convinced that Moyes rates him.

Woolly Blue · December 23, 2011

ijjysmith said:
What?!

I'll take it

Good choice mate, reduced to Â£200 for excessive use of white space but i'll drop it off tomorrow morning.

Matt Damon · December 23, 2011

billycopper said:
With money being as tight as it is, I couldn't see us paying to get him early. I'm not even that convinced that Moyes rates him.

The thing is Madrid are swimming in cash (with their ridiculous tv deals) therefore they may just release him as what they'd get for him wouldn't cover Ronaldo's wage bill for more than a month or two.

Plus it gets him off their wage bill (they're still paying at least 50% of his salary).

ijjysmith · December 23, 2011

Woolly Blue said:
Good choice mate, reduced to Â£200 for excessive use of white space but i'll drop it off tomorrow morning.

*starts reading

billycopper · December 23, 2011

Matt Damon said:
The thing is Madrid are swimming in cash (with their ridiculous tv deals) therefore they may just release him as what they'd get for him wouldn't cover Ronaldo's wage bill for more than a month or two.

Plus it gets him off their wage bill (they're still paying at least 50% of his salary).

It doesn't really make any sense for them to carry on paying half his wages for 6 months, if he'll then be a free agent. I suppose he would need to agree to a mutual termination of contract though. If joining us would mean a drop in wages, then he'll keep on taking their money until the summer.

andym78 · December 23, 2011

If we cancel Straqs loan can we have another one?

Maybe thats whats going down.

billycopper · December 23, 2011

andym78 said:
If we cancel Straqs loan can we have another one?

Maybe thats whats going down.

Nope. Maximum of 4 'short term' loans per season.

Andy M. · December 23, 2011

Tsk-tsk. Damon, I am disappoint. By now you should have thrown the FA Handbook at this thread, but now I will have to take the mantle as pedant-in-residence.

Ahem:
http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2011-12.pdf
...
SECTION M
TRANSFERS OF PLAYERSâ€™ REGISTRATIONS
...7.5 the maximum number of Temporary Transfers to any one Club registrable in the same
Season shall be 4 and in no circumstances shall more than 1 be from the same Transferor
Club save there shall be excluded from these numbers any Temporary Transfer of the
kind described in Rule M.7.6.1 or M.7.6.2;
7.6 not more than 2 Temporary Transfers shall be registered by a Club at the same time
except that there shall be excluded from that number:
7.6.1 any Temporary Transfer which become permanent; and
7.6.2 the Temporary Transfer of a goalkeeper which in its absolute discretion the Board
may allow in circumstances it considers to be exceptional;

But really, read the whole thing if you're really curious about how the loan system [is supposed to] work.
You can blame Pompey's attempts to assemble a squad of loan players for these restrictions, btw.

In our case, I don't think Dier is counted as a loan since he probably hasn't signed a pro deal yet (not quite sure, he's turning 18 in less than a month, so I guess that he'll have to play as a schoolboy or something for the rest of the season. So we have room for one more loanee and that's it.