2023/24 Dele

[navidson]

Where's he up to with his fitness?

 

[BlueStevie35]

I'd rather not have to close this thread for a spell, which I'm close to because it's becoming embarrassing for the site - so If the one or two members could reflect and promptly move away from victim blaming.

Sure there's a line but I always think it's best to educate rather than condemn - as a community we've been pretty good at that over the years.

No offence but I highly doubt they would

 

[dCahill17]

Still just ignoring the point that Nitrous oxide won’t show up in drugs tests, is legal, and that there’s zero evidence or suggestion Dele has ever done anything more than that, in regard to the fact that you keep mentioning cocaine.

Scary the way some people think based on the last few pages.

I’ve said his behaviours indicate someone who could be using substances and the current drug testing is not good enough.

If we were drug testing him, as I advocate for the club to have drug testing policy like many other businesses, then we may have found the sleeping pills and intervened a while ago.

If he is on hippy crack and sleeping pills is it a stretch for anything else? Crack head behaviours are pretty easy to spot. I mentioned the short life of cocaine in the system due to current testing procedures, and how it would be low risk for a footballer to take them.

If he we was / is having mental health issues but taking drugs we should still fire him.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Where's he up to with his fitness?

Hopefully he's back in training. Even if he's miles away from fitness it must surely be good for him to be getting routine and socialising again!

 

[ashwuk76]

As someone who suffers from an addiction I can honestly say it is difficult to talk about these things so I can totally understand how Dele buried his head and wouldn't tell anyone. It's something difficult to admit to yourself let alone anyone else. I applaud him for his honesty and wish him nothing but the best and hope he gets back to what he loves.

Money doesn't matter in these things. I honestly hope those posters who are rounding on him never have to deal with addiction and trauma.

 

[ashwuk76]

I’ve said his behaviours indicate someone who could be using substances and the current drug testing is not good enough.

If we were drug testing him, as I advocate for the club to have drug testing policy like many other businesses, then we may have found the sleeping pills and intervened a while ago.

If he is on hippy crack and sleeping pills is it a stretch for anything else? Crack head behaviours are pretty easy to spot. I mentioned the short life of cocaine in the system due to current testing procedures, and how it would be low risk for a footballer to take them.

If he we was / is having mental health issues but taking drugs we should still fire him.

So instead if supporting someone you would rather throw them to the kerb... what a wonderful "human" you are.

 

[Terrarian]

Mind blowing some of the opinions and posts in here today.

I really hope he comes back and tears it up like he used to, stick two fingers up at the idiots.

 

[Tramps_mate]

I’ve said his behaviours indicate someone who could be using substances and the current drug testing is not good enough.

If we were drug testing him, as I advocate for the club to have drug testing policy like many other businesses, then we may have found the sleeping pills and intervened a while ago.

If he is on hippy crack and sleeping pills is it a stretch for anything else? Crack head behaviours are pretty easy to spot. I mentioned the short life of cocaine in the system due to current testing procedures, and how it would be low risk for a footballer to take them.

If he we was / is having mental health issues but taking drugs we should still fire him.

Blimey!!

Remind me never to ask you for help...

Shocking way to think that. I've had employees with problems. Mental health, issues at home, drug taking, drinking. What you do as a human being is try to help people and not throw them away. Sacking him for taking drugs to deal with his issues is a sure fire way to push them over the edge to possibly worse.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I’ve said his behaviours indicate someone who could be using substances and the current drug testing is not good enough.

If we were drug testing him, as I advocate for the club to have drug testing policy like many other businesses, then we may have found the sleeping pills and intervened a while ago.

If he is on hippy crack and sleeping pills is it a stretch for anything else? Crack head behaviours are pretty easy to spot. I mentioned the short life of cocaine in the system due to current testing procedures, and how it would be low risk for a footballer to take them.

If he we was / is having mental health issues but taking drugs we should still fire him.

Sleeping pills are allowed, and common.

As I've said, hundreds of top flight footballers have used nitrous oxide. Some of the biggest names in the game - I'm sure you wouldn't be calling the club to sack Mbappe when he was 'caught' with it. Would you say no to Sterling signing because of nitrous oxide? Or Grealish?

You're coming across as having an agenda against Dele and it needs to stop here, because your monopolising his thread and inferring nonsense.

I'd encourage you to;

Understand that trauma and addiction go hand in hand.

Understand success and money is more likely can exacerbate behaviour which seeks to cover trauma through addiction, than relieve.

Understand trauma and addition more, and in doing so you might develop some empathy on the subject.

 

[Jacko93]

Because its not trauma. Its a rich boy's excuse for not fulfilling various contracts.

I wonder if he explained fully his so-called medical condition to Frank and Billy the Liar when he signed
his 100k a week contract at EFC?

This has to be one of the most tone deaf arguments that I have ever seen typed out on this forum.

There are occasions in life when you have to hold some empathy for people, take some time to consider how life events can affect peoples mental state. Bringing in your "He's not a soldier" argument (which is ridiculous), if a team of soldiers were hit by a mortar, is the Officer given less support to deal with the consequences than a Private? The officer is paid more, right, so it doesn't affect him the same, does it? You're chatting absolute nonsense.

Dele had to go to therapy in order to allow himself to talk about these issues, which even then he wasn't ready to share, but was forced to because of tabloid interference, so why or how the hell could he explain fully his condition to anybody when it was only through therapy that he stared to understand it himself?

It could be said that his fame make these issues harder to deal with, as there is an added responsibility and expectation as to their lifestyle and upbringing. To have to sit on national television and reveal issues you have struggled to deal with your entire life, before you are ready to deal with them all due to press intrusion is not a normal position for a human being to be in.

You are coming across here as a completely uncaring individual with no empathy for other human beings. You are putting across arguments and fantasies that make you seem very bitter and jealous.

I have seen the effects that addiction can have on people, and many addictions have their own triggers, whether it is escape, reliance or many other causes. You cannot judge a person on their frailties when they are faced with these challenges, but offer them the correct support mechanisms and give them the best chance possible to reach their previous levels of achievement, or in many cases, surpass those.

You cannot treat simply the effect of addictions without finding and treating the cause. Dele has made a start.

 

[dCahill17]

Blimey!!

Remind me never to ask you for help...

Shocking way to think that. I've had employees with problems. Mental health, issues at home, drug taking, drinking. What you do as a human being is try to help people and not throw them away. Sacking him for taking drugs to deal with his issues is a sure fire way to push them over the edge to possibly worse.

Moral outrage is noted however let’s expand on it.

Let’s say we keep Dele he drags another team mate into the gutter and the money we wasted could have been spent elsewhere thus keeping us up which is going to be a tight margin.

Then let’s say we go down and loads of people lose their job at Everton and maybe a few lose their houses and their kids go off the rails.


Dele Ali is a millionaire footballer, people get tossed to the kerb all the time by business, without his fall back on + imo best thing for him is away from footy anyway.


I can tell you lot don’t run a business with a balance sheet.

 

[Bedfordblue]

 

[chrissyjack]

Moral outrage is noted however let’s expand on it.

Let’s say we keep Dele he drags another team mate into the gutter and the money we wasted could have been spent elsewhere thus keeping us up which is going to be a tight margin.

Then let’s say we go down and loads of people lose their job at Everton and maybe a few lose their houses and their kids go off the rails.


Dele Ali is a millionaire footballer, people get tossed to the kerb all the time by business, without his fall back on + imo best thing for him is away from footy anyway.


I can tell you lot don’t run a business with a balance sheet.

Let’s say we keep him . He gets back up-to fitness , and repays the clubs help by playing well and keeping us up . And showing you up as the idiot you undoubtedly are

 

[Tramps_mate]

Moral outrage is noted however let’s expand on it.

Let’s say we keep Dele he drags another team mate into the gutter and the money we wasted could have been spent elsewhere thus keeping us up which is going to be a tight margin.

Then let’s say we go down and loads of people lose their job at Everton and maybe a few lose their houses and their kids go off the rails.


Dele Ali is a millionaire footballer, people get tossed to the kerb all the time by business, without his fall back on + imo best thing for him is away from footy anyway.


I can tell you lot don’t run a business with a balance sheet.

Deli Ali will not be the reason that gets this club relegated. What a foolish thing to say.

 

[dCahill17]

Sleeping pills are allowed, and common.

As I've said, hundreds of top flight footballers have used nitrous oxide. Some of the biggest names in the game - I'm sure you wouldn't be calling the club to sack Mbappe when he was 'caught' with it. Would you say no to Sterling signing because of nitrous oxide? Or Grealish?

You're coming across as having an agenda against Dele and it needs to stop here, because your monopolising his thread and inferring nonsense.

I'd encourage you to;

Understand that trauma and addiction go hand in hand.

Understand success and money is more likely can exacerbate behaviour which seeks to cover trauma through addiction, than relieve.

Understand trauma and addition more, and in doing so you might develop some empathy on the subject.

People keep calling me out what, so I answered.

And like I’ve said the best thing for Dele imo is him away from football. So in fact you could say I have his best interests at heart, as well as the clubs.