It's midfielder mate, he's trying to come across as an Oracle of football. It's old terminology, like inside forward etc etc. It's a deep lying midfielder as he suggests
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It's midfielder mate, he's trying to come across as an Oracle of football. It's old terminology, like inside forward etc etc. It's a deep lying midfielder as he suggests
StuBarlow
Player Valuation: £6m
No anger at all. Just wanted to highlight that he knows no more than anybody else.
StuBarlow
Player Valuation: £6m
I did not call him a defensive coach. I said part of his job role most certainly will contain some aspect of defensive coaching. (I know it's easy to twist peoples words to your own means.)
You attack people's posts then start getting upset when people call you out. Keep your options to yourself if you don't want to be challenged.
Elong
The fire rises
That's not entirely accurate.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
I'm sorry but this is just bizarre.
You state something that you dont know as fact, I suggest that your statement isnt true (You know with him having a different role to what you are stating) and then you call ME out for claiming I think i am ITK when it is actually you who is claiming to know something you (or anyone else) couldn't possibly know anything about unless they are involved in the day to day running of the club.
And then you have the cheek to say that I am upset about people challenging me?
I don't know much about you from on here to be honest so wont jump to conclusions, I'm sure you are a lovely bloke but in this exchange you have came off as an absolute hypocrite.
chazzle_dazzle
Player Valuation: £35m
Firstly, i have no idea if Garbutt will make it - but don't look at loans as a signpost to greatness. Barkley hardly had great loan spells, Kane was utter garbage out on loan and plenty of players have gone out and not lit up where they play.
Its more about building character, something which some young players need to become men and proper footballers. Osman didnt play a full season of football for Everton until he was 23, 2004/05 season. Some players come on later.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Well, @HuddersfieldToffee was writing a post responding to me so he's not trying to come across as an "oracle of football" as you so delicately wrote. I thought it was a very interesting example and in fact think we should be using some "niche" terms to describe positions.
Always good to learn new things isnt it?
@gaino92 that player were discussing is pretty good. He effectively could sit in deep midfield for us and ping what people call "hollywood passes" to the wingers quite easily...he really can pick a pass and is also quite good at driving forward with the ball from deep and can be pretty clinical from dead ball situations too for schalke.
They are 6th or 7th in germany at the moment so its also not inconceivable that players could be keen to move to us...this chap Geis is only 22 and been in the national u21 side a fair bit.
I took "half back" to mean a deep lying playmaker type but also someone who can run forward with the ball. The term was used in the 60's then went out of favour, i think these days its quite a good term for this kind of player.
I mean Muller i think is called a Raumdeuter which means "space finder" or something daft like that.
Makalele for example would have been an anchorman sat behind the midfield....
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Thats true but were talking about a 22/23 year old player rather than a teenager...for me, if he was getting games consistantly then at least thats a benefit and of course he was injured pretty soon after arriving there BUT hes been absolutely slated by Fulham fans and isnt playing each game.
Additionally, it was eye opening to see Galloway get games at the end of last season over him. Perhaps hes just not as good as we had hoped? It seems one minute ago he was playing for england u21s and looked to be an exciting prospect but in a month will be 23 and our 4th choice left back (behind a youth team centre back).
Hope he proves me wrong of course.
chazzle_dazzle
Player Valuation: £35m
Think there was a few factors at play at the end of last season mate in regards to the contract etc.
Dunno if he will ever make it, just don't think anyone should take a stint on loan as a yard stick to see how good a player is.
Michaelcoyb
Transfer Window Time Keeper
The problem is not with the defenders alone, it is with the set up of the entire team. Changing a defender or even two will not dramatically affect results imo.
The problem is the team is not defending as a unit. We have backs, we have midfielders and we have forwards, all interested in their own jobs but not taking a collective responsibility for defending as well as attacking.
I think this was what Leighton Baines was talking about with his no chemistry remarks. I think that players like Barkley and Lukaku are focusing on getting the ball and using it but not as concerned when we are not in possession.
If Mourinho did come to Everton I think a couple of our high profile players would find that they have to work much harder than they do to please the manager.
The problem is the team is not defending as a unit. We have backs, we have midfielders and we have forwards, all interested in their own jobs but not taking a collective responsibility for defending as well as attacking.
I think this was what Leighton Baines was talking about with his no chemistry remarks. I think that players like Barkley and Lukaku are focusing on getting the ball and using it but not as concerned when we are not in possession.
If Mourinho did come to Everton I think a couple of our high profile players would find that they have to work much harder than they do to please the manager.
That or the current manager we have gets in a new defensive coach and delegates to him/her (WHOMEVER the current defensive coach is needs to be kicked to the curb or reassigned. Results speak for themselves)
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
Ill be committed to an asylum for this BUT I don't actually think anything drastic needs to happen..
Bring in another CB
We need to bring in another hard-nosed, "stick my head on everything" CB. Shawcross, Dann, Smalling...maybe not those players themselves but that type of player. So we would have Jagielka or Shawcross, for example, partnered with Stones or Funes Mori.
Medium block or press
I am not teaching anyone here anything they didnt already know, but let me say it anyway.
There are 2 choices seemingly under Martinez for how we defend when we arent in possession. We either press high (FA Cup, vs Chelsea) or the more routine 'medium block' i.e. let the opponents have the ball until they enter our half. Once they do, each player attacks 'his man' or alternatively attacks whoever has entered 'his' zone i.e. if a defender looks to bring the ball out.
He uses this so that a) only the usually redundant (in an attacking sense) defenders of the opponent have the ball in a relaxed state (i.e. players that cant hurt us) and b) allows us to draw out the opponent and counter-attack.
For me either work fine as long as the entire team do it. Against Utd, for example, Lennon pressed high as did McCarthy sometimes, but everyone else kept shape and in-line with the medium block strategy. Make no mistake, for all my defences of our manager, having a team who does a bit of everything is NOT acceptable. If we have a set, disciplined game plan - and it can vary game to game - then we will see alot of the pressure taken off the defenders.
Practice and perfect defending set pieces/long balls into the box
Because we are so disorganised (see above) it means the defence are under alot of pressure. This causes mistakes, both individually and collectively. Together with some practice (doesnt have to be laboured training Roberto!) and perfecting our defensive shape, it will mean that our defenders are in a better place - both in condition and in practice - to defend against the long ball.
Stay injury free
I do like the OP @Zatara but I disagree totally on Coleman and Baines. These two are very good defensively, as is Jagielka. Funes Mori is a little raw however looks a good prospect. Stones one-on-one is terrific but his concentration levels are poor.
For various parts of the season however, Coleman, Baines, Jagielka and Stones have all been injured. Throw in then Funes Mori is desperate for calm leadership to chaperone him through, and you get an inconsistent mess. This is the whole reason however it is undeniably a contributing factor. In RM's first season he had Howard, Coleman, Jagielka, Distin and Baines all playing consistently. We looked far more solid as a consequence.
Purchase an aggressive CM
McCarthy may be this man and shouldn't be discounted from the equation. He's a dynamic hassler who wins the ball back at will, when on form. The problem is that he is positionally erratic when he's off form. He chases the ball around like a nutter which, as against Utd, was all for nothing each time Utd completed a simple one-two around him.
Besic could also be this man.
For me, I doubt their abilities at this time only because they are prone to a poor game. Look at Kante for Leicester, as an example - never has a bad game. Schneiderlin - i've seen Utd alot this season and the lad rarely has a bad game. Dier the same for spurs, seemingly never has a bad game. Last season Matic was instrumental in Chelsea's title winning side. We need someone who will consistently be 7/10 every week. They need to be able to play with and sometimes instead of our ageless Gaz Baz.
Might seem wordy and a load of tosh BUT to me the above proposed remedies are easily achieved. Whether Martinez can or will see it similarly, God knows.
Bring in another CB
We need to bring in another hard-nosed, "stick my head on everything" CB. Shawcross, Dann, Smalling...maybe not those players themselves but that type of player. So we would have Jagielka or Shawcross, for example, partnered with Stones or Funes Mori.
Medium block or press
I am not teaching anyone here anything they didnt already know, but let me say it anyway.
There are 2 choices seemingly under Martinez for how we defend when we arent in possession. We either press high (FA Cup, vs Chelsea) or the more routine 'medium block' i.e. let the opponents have the ball until they enter our half. Once they do, each player attacks 'his man' or alternatively attacks whoever has entered 'his' zone i.e. if a defender looks to bring the ball out.
He uses this so that a) only the usually redundant (in an attacking sense) defenders of the opponent have the ball in a relaxed state (i.e. players that cant hurt us) and b) allows us to draw out the opponent and counter-attack.
For me either work fine as long as the entire team do it. Against Utd, for example, Lennon pressed high as did McCarthy sometimes, but everyone else kept shape and in-line with the medium block strategy. Make no mistake, for all my defences of our manager, having a team who does a bit of everything is NOT acceptable. If we have a set, disciplined game plan - and it can vary game to game - then we will see alot of the pressure taken off the defenders.
Practice and perfect defending set pieces/long balls into the box
Because we are so disorganised (see above) it means the defence are under alot of pressure. This causes mistakes, both individually and collectively. Together with some practice (doesnt have to be laboured training Roberto!) and perfecting our defensive shape, it will mean that our defenders are in a better place - both in condition and in practice - to defend against the long ball.
Stay injury free
I do like the OP @Zatara but I disagree totally on Coleman and Baines. These two are very good defensively, as is Jagielka. Funes Mori is a little raw however looks a good prospect. Stones one-on-one is terrific but his concentration levels are poor.
For various parts of the season however, Coleman, Baines, Jagielka and Stones have all been injured. Throw in then Funes Mori is desperate for calm leadership to chaperone him through, and you get an inconsistent mess. This is the whole reason however it is undeniably a contributing factor. In RM's first season he had Howard, Coleman, Jagielka, Distin and Baines all playing consistently. We looked far more solid as a consequence.
Purchase an aggressive CM
McCarthy may be this man and shouldn't be discounted from the equation. He's a dynamic hassler who wins the ball back at will, when on form. The problem is that he is positionally erratic when he's off form. He chases the ball around like a nutter which, as against Utd, was all for nothing each time Utd completed a simple one-two around him.
Besic could also be this man.
For me, I doubt their abilities at this time only because they are prone to a poor game. Look at Kante for Leicester, as an example - never has a bad game. Schneiderlin - i've seen Utd alot this season and the lad rarely has a bad game. Dier the same for spurs, seemingly never has a bad game. Last season Matic was instrumental in Chelsea's title winning side. We need someone who will consistently be 7/10 every week. They need to be able to play with and sometimes instead of our ageless Gaz Baz.
Might seem wordy and a load of tosh BUT to me the above proposed remedies are easily achieved. Whether Martinez can or will see it similarly, God knows.
It's a midfielder, end of story.
HuddersfieldToffee
Player Valuation: £10m
Yeah, a half-back, is just someone who plays deep in midfield - it's not that difficult to comprehend was a half-back would do so why get so rowdy about it, boys, especially as when you say "lets just say proper positions", half of us say centre-back and half say centre-half! Yeah, the reason I said Geis would be a good signing, is that he's an excellent player AND he delivers on a need we have, for a defensive midfielder who's reliable. He'd be worth a few bob (TransferMarkt value him at £11.5million), so he'd be an investment, and it's all about whether he covers the tracks of Ledson coming through.
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