2025/26 David Moyes


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Are D-Hall and Rohl attacking players? Rohl and Dibling were signed within a couple of days at the end of the window, limited pre season and new players and surroundings to fit in with. Judging football and a manager based on football and managing 12 years ago is probably a bit of an unbalanced thing to do, 5 subs, goal line tech, var, and a lot more money in the game not least a brand new stadium for us have altered the landscape some.

Some fans* (if they are) just want to moan and grind an axe, then moan and grind an axe when called out for it. Tiresome boring nagging nothings. (not an accusation vs you).

Moyes needs a Yakubu, and quick. As a couch only scout sifting through basic info available, there doesn't seem that type of player about currently, clubs stockpile talent and loan it out here n there. The Belgian top scorer last term is on the books at Wolves with no game time currently. £24m.
I don't really understand your first couple of paragraphs at all to be honest. What has the list of names got to do with anything? Is our number 10 an attacking player? I certainly hope so, yes. How does goal line tech change whether you see a manager as risk averse or not? I'm very confused.
 
I don't really understand your first couple of paragraphs at all to be honest. What has the list of names got to do with anything? Is our number 10 an attacking player? I certainly hope so, yes. How does goal line tech change whether you see a manager as risk averse or not? I'm very confused.
Illustrating how the game has evolved in the time specified.

And our number 10 is not doing the sole job of a number 10 is he. A defender and two keepers can't be considered attackers, Rohl is a holding midfielder? and then our ~ number 10 problem.
 
Illustrating how the game has evolved in the time specified.

And our number 10 is not doing the sole job of a number 10 is he. A defender and two keepers can't be considered attackers, Rohl is a holding midfielder? and then our ~ number 10 problem.
Why are you talking about the keepers? I said we brought in £150m worth of attacking players - Dibling, Barry, KDH, Grealish, Alcaraz. I didn't mention keepers. And again, the game changing in some ways doesn't in any way address the actual point being made. This is a very bizarre conversation so I think i'll bow out here.
 

Starting to see the fruits of not investing where we needed to, striker and full backs.

Beto can’t control a ball and Barry does a good impression of mr invisible.

Full backs are such a massive part of teams now. We saw in the opening game at leeds Garner plugged a gap but we had zero contributuon going forward down the left. It unbalanced everything.
Its not new. We failed this crucial area of the pitch for years now.
 
In general, yes, but there can also be glorious victories that do not result in titles. A few spectacular derby wins would be glorious, but this manager doesn't tend to do that: The Andy Johnson derby being the obvious exception that proves the rule. To be fair to him, any derby win during his tenure has been against the odds. I just wanted to see us compete against them last week - give it our all and make a contest of the game from the off. He didn't even manage that. It wouldn't be glory to do that and lose - but it would be honourable and worth getting behind in the way "stability" isn't.

I'm all for stability - but does turning up at Anfield and putting out your best side in the League Cup preclude that? Not for a moment.

Ilm still unmoved on this glory stuff.

A great match experience or two and a Euro qualification season does not make for a glory period.

We diminish this club by describing it thus.
 
Post west ham game... Your thoughts...

I thought we tried, BUT lack of cutting edge is obvious.

The concerning thing is after however long, no-one seems to be able to reliably link up with Beto,or Barry albeit he's had much less game time.

Big concern. Like is the guy just not making good runs, or is he doing what's being asked of him?

Early-ish days for Dibling, Jack and KDH, hopefully they can get him running and linking up well, the effort is there.
Exactly this , I wonder what he is being told what to do ? I don't remember him touching the ball in the 21 mins he played last night .
 
Post west ham game... Your thoughts...

I thought we tried, BUT lack of cutting edge is obvious.

The concerning thing is after however long, no-one seems to be able to reliably link up with Beto,or Barry albeit he's had much less game time.

Big concern. Like is the guy just not making good runs, or is he doing what's being asked of him?

Early-ish days for Dibling, Jack and KDH, hopefully they can get him running and linking up well, the effort is there.
We seemed to struggle to mount attacks in general thus his involvement being minimized and like you accurately stated we never looked to bring him into the action when we do attack , he seems to make decent runs it seems to be how we approach things, we either go the wings and bang in broad crosses that go into crowds of players or we're so slow in building up our play the box is just congested with defenders so when in the rate chance Barry does get the ball it just gets blocked
 
We seemed to struggle to mount attacks in general thus his involvement being minimized and like you accurately stated we never looked to bring him into the action when we do attack , he seems to make decent runs it seems to be how we approach things, we either go the wings and bang in broad crosses that go into crowds of players or we're so slow in building up our play the box is just congested with defenders so when in the rate chance Barry does get the ball it just gets blocked
He's forced into chasing shadows, he seems the last player we look for when attacking..
 

Ilm still unmoved on this glory stuff.

A great match experience or two and a Euro qualification season does not make for a glory period.

We diminish this club by describing it thus.
I agree - a glorious era is not qualifying for the Champions League play-offs and being eliminated. Or finishing seventh and commemorating it with a celebratory DVD. Or getting our highest PL points total only to miss out on the CL and then go into a terminal tailspin.

A glorious era was 1984-1987.

But glorious victories matter too - all the more so in non-glorious eras or in times of absolute chaos. Moyes did a lot of good work in the Kenwright Decline era, but he didn't do enough in the way of glory. That was understandable - to a point. His risk-aversion meant he wouldn't gamble when the chance of going above and beyond presented itself. Now, we should at the very least be looking for some glorious performances in an era that can at least lead to something potentially glorious in the future. We're no longer in Kenwright's Austerity.
 
I agree - a glorious era is not qualifying for the Champions League play-offs and being eliminated. Or finishing seventh and commemorating it with a celebratory DVD. Or getting our highest PL points total only to miss out on the CL and then go into a terminal tailspin.

A glorious era was 1984-1987.

But glorious victories matter too - all the more so in non-glorious eras or in times of absolute chaos. Moyes did a lot of good work in the Kenwright Decline era, but he didn't do enough in the way of glory. That was understandable - to a point. His risk-aversion meant he wouldn't gamble when the chance of going above and beyond presented itself. Now, we should at the very least be looking for some glorious performances in an era that can at least lead to something potentially glorious in the future. We're no longer in Kenwright's Austerity.
Glorious victories is a definition I can live with; glory years when we dont win anything...no.
 
Beto worked very hard to miss the chances he did against villa, it was practically performance art. Moyes rotated for the league cup game (wolves rotated more) and we served up a silver dish full of crud. An away game at our former former home was always a sizeable ask, started slow but came into the game. I didn't watch or listen last night as I was to tired. I guessed at a 0-0 about an hour before KO. Moyes can't make Beto use his brain and thus communicate with his feet like a pro. He can't grant confidence and experience to Barry. He should by the sounds of it shored up our right flank, N'Diaye has been run into the ground and it's showing, O'B was hung out to dry vs two direct and quick left sided players.
The CM doesn't know what to do, they all look at each other and wonder who's doing what. Often found far to narrow.
Moyes started the Derby game all wrong and gave the game away in the first thirty minutes, he played four players, v Wolves in the cup who had hardly kicked a ball this season, the subs came on at half time but couldn’t change the game, we couldn’t open Villa up and played like for like with one sub and brought two on with four bleedin’ minutes to go. West Ham, gave two thirds of the field to play with last night, we scored a very good goal with the pass coming from Garner who is playing very well this season but especially from centre midfield, but we couldn’t increase the lead and it was WHU who took over the game and I was glad to see we got a point at the end of the game. Moyes is Moyes and I doubt he will ever change, but you know that Rita, and any optimism many fans had not too long ago has been drained by these last few performances and a lot of it is down to Moyes and the ultra cautious way he sets his teams up,
 

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