2024/25 David Moyes

Is it controversial to say I think it would be a wasted opportunity to not try and get someone better in the summer? I know we aimed for the stars and ballsed it up under Moshiri, but there seems to be a big opportunity to kick on now, and as much as I love Davey, the last couple months haven't been great have they?

I know it's a hell of a lot better than ginger snotball as far as the feeling around the club, and the footy has been a bit better, but is there a glass ceiling? Or would we take 12th next season?

This isn't a Davey Out post or anything, just putting the GOT feelers out there.
I see it as a sort of leap frog thing.
We get some better players in
Moyes...hopefully...moves us up the table
We get some  more better players in
Moyes moves us up again or maybe hits his ceiling / underperforms
New guy comes in
etc. etc.
 

I see it as a sort of leap frog thing.
We get some better players in
Moyes...hopefully...moves us up the table
We get some  more better players in
Moyes moves us up again or maybe hits his ceiling / underperforms
New guy comes in
etc. etc.

Stability first for a few years.

Get rid of the dross, get on a level footing again with PSR and sort out the off the field stuff, like merchandising etc.

The last thing we need is another Moshiri MK2 period.
 
Stability first for a few years.

Get rid of the dross, get on a level footing again with PSR and sort out the off the field stuff, like merchandising etc.

The last thing we need is another Moshiri MK2 period.
My leap frog scenario  IS 'stability' - Moyes doesn't know any other way, he doesn't do Instability *

*can't speak for the next guy though
 
1 win in 10.

16th in the form league covering the same period.

Shame really. We were safe from Palace, hoped that pressure being off would see us win a few more.
Same, I genuinely thought we may see some relaxed players performing better. I also thought I'd see other players given a go. It's baffled me seeing the same names over and over.

I'm trying to convince myself the players have "relaxed" after a few years of nonstop stress and "with a striker, we'd be fine" but I am slightly worried at what's to come. We have to get this summer right.
 

Is it controversial to say I think it would be a wasted opportunity to not try and get someone better in the summer? I know we aimed for the stars and ballsed it up under Moshiri, but there seems to be a big opportunity to kick on now, and as much as I love Davey, the last couple months haven't been great have they?

I know it's a hell of a lot better than ginger snotball as far as the feeling around the club, and the footy has been a bit better, but is there a glass ceiling? Or would we take 12th next season?

This isn't a Davey Out post or anything, just putting the GOT feelers out there.
All I do with Everton is flip flop.

Moyes In
It's been a horrible run in, that we were all dreading and worrying about. Thankfully, safety has made the run in less stressful.
It's still the same squad, the squad I blamed more than Dyche and previous managers. We need changes.
A lot of the squad have proven they can turn up and play. So when they don't, it can't always be the manager's fault.
Without a striker, it doesn't matter what we do, we need a goalscorer. We have the worst options in the league (except Southampton)

Moyes Out
It's worried me how quickly players have reverted back to their previous workrate and panic/awful play (I fully blame the players, but does he have it under control?)
He's stubbornly persisted with some awful line ups/tactics and the entire ground hounded Dyche for the same thing.
His lack of trying out different players worries me, we know certain players are leaving, NOW is the time to try new tactics, players, formations. Not next season.
This form would've had fans tearing their hair out and demanding the manager is sacked. Yet it does feel like we can't say anything about Moyes.

Personally, I trust him enough to keep us up (at a minimum) and build from there. It's a huge summer and we need some stability. Moyes will desperately want to lead the team out at the new stadium and do well. So that alone makes me want him. Let's pray we get the recruitment right and put an end to fragile players with a poor mentality.
 
I said it before, take away Moyes's toys. Tell him your vision is to compete with the best and for that to happen we have to prioritize talent and potential over experience. This shouldn't be a short term project. I do believe Moyes is the type of manager that can make players better. He just has to be willing to put up with the aches and pains.
 
I said it before, take away Moyes's toys. Tell him your vision is to compete with the best and for that to happen we have to prioritize talent and potential over experience. This shouldn't be a short term project. I do believe Moyes is the type of manager that can make players better. He just has to be willing to put up with the aches and pains.
Think Moyes can make defenders better for sure, & probably midfielders but have little confidence in him developing the forward players & that is one of the biggest problem areas.
 
Think Moyes can make defenders better for sure, & probably midfielders but have little confidence in him developing the forward players & that is one of the biggest problem areas.
He developed Arnautovic and Antonio into two of the best strikers in the league. Bowen has come on leaps and bounds, eventually getting an England callup, under Moyes. Kudus has been a shadow of the player he was last season under Moyes.
 
He developed Arnautovic and Antonio into two of the best strikers in the league. Bowen has come on leaps and bounds, eventually getting an England callup, under Moyes. Kudus has been a shadow of the player he was last season under Moyes.
See article below, which reflects my concerns:


The Hammers have won just 13 times in the 53 games in all competitions since under Moyes, Julen Lopetegui and now Potter.

There are a host of reasons for the downturn.

The biggest is the poor composition of the squad and transfer dealings.

Now Moyes should hang his head in shame after a startling new West Ham striker revelation.

The Scot will hold a special place in Hammers history for what he did in five years over two spells.

But he was not perfect.

Moyes’ insistence on having a small squad meant West Ham were left with the smallest and second oldest squad in the Premier League when he left.

The Scot failed to make good on promises to build the Hammers around young, hungry players.

So West Ham had to spend big money – over £155m – on a rebuild last summer.

That rebuild somehow made the second oldest squad, the oldest in the top flight.

That has ended up costing Tim Steidten and Lopetegui their jobs.

But it was Moyes’ continual dithering over signing a striker that has set West Ham back more than anything.

Moyes failed West Ham over strikers​

It took him over 18 months to replace Sebastien Haller with Gianluca Scamacca.

When that didn’t work out, ageing Danny Ings was brought in as a panic signing.

Moyes then refused to sign a striker in his last summer window, insisting Jarrod Bowen could do the job.

Some of the deals he turned down are still haunting his old club.

Moyes admitted turning down the chance to sign Julian Alvarez from MLS for just £14.5m before he ended up at Man City.

Despite watching Viktor Gyokeres live multiple times and having him on a platter for just £17.5m, Moyes also turned that deal down.

Now West Ham will be absolutely livid with Moyes.

The Hammers face having to sign at least two, if not three, strikers this summer.

But funds are a problem after the club were forced to stretch spending to bolster the 17-man squad the Scot left behind.
 

See article below, which reflects my concerns:


The Hammers have won just 13 times in the 53 games in all competitions since under Moyes, Julen Lopetegui and now Potter.

There are a host of reasons for the downturn.

The biggest is the poor composition of the squad and transfer dealings.

Now Moyes should hang his head in shame after a startling new West Ham striker revelation.

The Scot will hold a special place in Hammers history for what he did in five years over two spells.

But he was not perfect.

Moyes’ insistence on having a small squad meant West Ham were left with the smallest and second oldest squad in the Premier League when he left.

The Scot failed to make good on promises to build the Hammers around young, hungry players.

So West Ham had to spend big money – over £155m – on a rebuild last summer.

That rebuild somehow made the second oldest squad, the oldest in the top flight.

That has ended up costing Tim Steidten and Lopetegui their jobs.

But it was Moyes’ continual dithering over signing a striker that has set West Ham back more than anything.

Moyes failed West Ham over strikers​

It took him over 18 months to replace Sebastien Haller with Gianluca Scamacca.

When that didn’t work out, ageing Danny Ings was brought in as a panic signing.

Moyes then refused to sign a striker in his last summer window, insisting Jarrod Bowen could do the job.

Some of the deals he turned down are still haunting his old club.

Moyes admitted turning down the chance to sign Julian Alvarez from MLS for just £14.5m before he ended up at Man City.

Despite watching Viktor Gyokeres live multiple times and having him on a platter for just £17.5m, Moyes also turned that deal down.

Now West Ham will be absolutely livid with Moyes.

The Hammers face having to sign at least two, if not three, strikers this summer.

But funds are a problem after the club were forced to stretch spending to bolster the 17-man squad the Scot left behind.

That (pretty awful article) is blaming Moyes for West Ham wasting £160 million last summer and making the squad older and worse.

Which is clearly nonsense. It’s like blaming Moyes for Martinez bringing in a load of cack from Wigan.
 
That (pretty awful article) is blaming Moyes for West Ham wasting £160 million last summer and making the squad older and worse.

Which is clearly nonsense. It’s like blaming Moyes for Martinez bringing in a load of cack from Wigan.
He did what?! I knew it was all his fault! The absolute b4stard! Just think where we’d be if he hadn’t made Martinez do that! MOYES OUT!!!
 
It’s saying that the squad Moyes left wasn’t fit for purpose and was old & they had to spend a lot of money trying to fix it.

Clearly the fact they screwed up fixing it wasn’t Moyes fault.
 
See article below, which reflects my concerns:


The Hammers have won just 13 times in the 53 games in all competitions since under Moyes, Julen Lopetegui and now Potter.

There are a host of reasons for the downturn.

The biggest is the poor composition of the squad and transfer dealings.

Now Moyes should hang his head in shame after a startling new West Ham striker revelation.

The Scot will hold a special place in Hammers history for what he did in five years over two spells.

But he was not perfect.

Moyes’ insistence on having a small squad meant West Ham were left with the smallest and second oldest squad in the Premier League when he left.

The Scot failed to make good on promises to build the Hammers around young, hungry players.

So West Ham had to spend big money – over £155m – on a rebuild last summer.

That rebuild somehow made the second oldest squad, the oldest in the top flight.

That has ended up costing Tim Steidten and Lopetegui their jobs.

But it was Moyes’ continual dithering over signing a striker that has set West Ham back more than anything.

Moyes failed West Ham over strikers​

It took him over 18 months to replace Sebastien Haller with Gianluca Scamacca.

When that didn’t work out, ageing Danny Ings was brought in as a panic signing.

Moyes then refused to sign a striker in his last summer window, insisting Jarrod Bowen could do the job.

Some of the deals he turned down are still haunting his old club.

Moyes admitted turning down the chance to sign Julian Alvarez from MLS for just £14.5m before he ended up at Man City.

Despite watching Viktor Gyokeres live multiple times and having him on a platter for just £17.5m, Moyes also turned that deal down.

Now West Ham will be absolutely livid with Moyes.

The Hammers face having to sign at least two, if not three, strikers this summer.

But funds are a problem after the club were forced to stretch spending to bolster the 17-man squad the Scot left behind.
Simple fact is, Moyes was not allowed to sign the players he wanted at West Ham. It was constant interfering from the board (Sullivan specifically) and then the appointment of a dodgy DOF who got flushed after wasting huge sums of money which led to Moyes leaving the club.

Moyes flagged players like Eze before they ended up in the Premier League, but they consistently failed to land the players he wanted and instead he was left with players from favoured agents and the like.
 
That (pretty awful article) is blaming Moyes for West Ham wasting £160 million last summer and making the squad older and worse.

Which is clearly nonsense. It’s like blaming Moyes for Martinez bringing in a load of cack from Wigan.
Had they listened to Moyes they would have brought in players like McTominay who had a track record in the league and something to prove. WHU preferred exotic foreign punts and it blew up in their faces.
 

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