David Moyes - Ruins Strikers

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I'v thought this for a while now and its basically backed up with yakubus run at blackburn, every striker Moyes has he ruins/stifles their style of play. The way Everton play is very slow build up play, no counter attack or direct feed towards the strikers. This aint helped by the fact he likes to play Cahill behind a striker, the role that Cahill is playing in needs to be played by a more creative player i.e. Barkley or Osman (which ossie has had his best form in). Cahill offers nothing in that positon basically he's an impact player now because the only time he gets involved in a game is off a corner. Therefore the creative role behind our current striker Saha is just a waste, Saha had is best games played with beckford, Cahill would be far suited to playing AM behind two strikers but hey-ho this is about strikers.

The best time I'v seen Everton playing attacking football with strikers was AJ and Yak partnership, we scored 7-1 that year a bag full of 4's an 3's too and some high scoring in the Europa League. So when its going good up front he sells one an sticks them on their own again then benches the yak cos hes too lazy for moyes???? What because hes an experienced striker that times his runs?

He also from time to time will play cahill up front on his own and Mr Moyes' plan b is cahill and fellaini up front. Beattie, AJ, Yak and now Saha the growing list of strikers told to play up front on thier own, deal with hoofed balls all game long, no through balls or suppport strikers to play off. Feel sorry for Vellios now he was the best goalscorer for us then gets thrown in against the tallest team in the prem Stoke against 5 defenders, wasnt able to do anything then gets dropped by stubborn Moyes.

Before you say we got no strikers, we have Gueye, Saha, McAleny, Vellios, Green and Hallam Hope all doing well. Prefferably play two but stubborn Moyes wont so play a more creative player behind. Before you say we got none Barkley, Ossie, Drenthe - Faddy, Billy, Rodwell.

And just to back this up that Donnelly that we was after chose SWANSEA over us because they play better football.
 

25 grand extra mate.

That's what he demanded. When denied he wasn't putting the effort in.

Warm up and warm down.

Remember people calling him "lazy" ?
 
I agree with all of it except the bits at the end. Hallam Hope and this Green fella are years away from being ready for PL football, if ever. Don't be silly.

And I doubt that's why Donnelly picked Swansea. Apparently he was offered a greater wage but the more obvious reason is that he has a better chance of breaking through there.



That said the gist of your argument I do agree with. Moyes makes strikers play his way, instead of setting up to get the most out of them. Strikers are a different breed of player and this just doesn't work in my opinion.
 

I'm not really sure if he ruins them, more like he doesn't know how to play them properly and it sometimes results in lack of self belief.
 
I can see us scoring no more than 1 goal a game max.

Moyes thinks everyone should be scoring, which is what has worked so far. I remember one season nearly all our starting eleven except Howard and Hibbert had scored at some point.

Like I've said before. Moyes thinks Jagielka swinging a leg is a goal scoring opportunity. Moyes doesn't like scoring more than 2, he said that himself.
 
i agree Moyes doesn't seem to want to facilitate the forwards as the focus of the team. Rather, he wants the forward to facilitate the team and its defence first policy. Conservative and rigid in his apthem.h. Most 1st team strikers who have left us score elsewhere. So it's got be how Moyes uses and manages them.
 

The season mentioned in the OP, we played one upfront most of the time, including when we won 7-1 against Sunderland. Just saying.
 
Beattie, AJ, Yak were all top notch strikers. Moyes could have any striker on the planet and manage to turn him into a goal shy runaround........

Sorry but NO.
AJ was a new quantity when he came through with palace and IIRC scored a fair few penalties in that season with them. We coughed up the nuggets, he scored a few and Moyes shipped out and we didn't lose anything. Wasn't amazing at Birmingham, not been anything like prolific at Fulham.

Moyes ruined? I know he was never all that to ruin in the beginning.

Beattie - one season at Southampton when every ball he swung at he volleyed into the top corner does not an international class striker make, at Saints the entire team was geared around him, but Saints were full of also ran players on a last wage with no international or ego trips to take. Not that case with us, Beattie was expected to fit in and help others score as well as do some scoring himself (You choose between Etherington and Van Der Meyde) ! Had a stint at Sheff utd, scored a few in the championship got a shot at Stoke - Pulis tried to butt him and was frozen out. Spells in scotland and at Blackpool didnt work out. And was never an amazing striker when he came through at Blackburn.

Moyes ruined? Beattie was never Alan Shearer in the first place.

I made a thread in world football about ''the greatest striker of the premierleague years'' and set out my case for Yakubu being said greatest striker (in certain circumstances).

Moyes didn't ruin Yak, he just didn't cash in at the right time for all parties concerned.

Marcus Bent, Moyes took a punt of £450k for Benty, he came in and worked, worked so hard at holding the ball up that Cahill scored our greatest tally for a midfielder from open play in the prem era. sold for £2.5 mill after Beattie came in. Good business.

McBride - Should have made a bigger effort to keep him, never going to be Romario but a decent player.
Radzinski was signed by Smith, but he continued to put a shift in until he got a whiff of life in London.
Rooney - served his apprenticeship with us, got his games, scored a few. Fell out with Moyes because of lies from his management. Went to ManU. Not Moyes' fault.
McFadden - Sold at a profit, scores outlandish goals, but not top half prem quality. Very patchy. No great shakes at Brum.
Jo - couldn't settle to British life and the prem, very glad city got in the way of this bullet for us. Not a Brazil international anymore I think.

I would like to see Moyes sign a player like Adebayor, Hasselbank, or Drogba. A big lad with lots of strength to hold the ball up and get on headers.
It is a shame that Baines arrived to late and/or Ferguson retired too early because with proper service the big man scored goals.

Anyway, we are in transition now, Moyes is again having to cull the 30+'s and blood some youth so he has some stability in the coming seasons which he can add to with his meager budgets.
 

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