David Moyes: Management mindset

[jimbo2011]

Many of us are managers of people in our day to day existence. Some of us are sad enough to have read some books or attended courses about the art of managing your team, motivational stuff. Alot of it can be **** but occasionally you find out some little nuggets of knowledge that you can take with you.

One of my great beliefs is that my team ethos (in this case 28 front of house staff and 10 chefs and porters), positivity, approach to their job, customers and everything else is very much a reflection of me, their leader.

When I'm on a down day, the team tends to reflect this a bit so I blag it, lift myself up and they come with me. When I'm flying, we do great money, provide great service and food and generally have a fuggin' good day regardless of how tough it might get. I'm no management guru, far from it, and I love Davie and we certainly couldn't do each others jobs.

David Moyes lost the game against Citeh when he sat in a press conference and used his 'going into a gunfight with a knife' analogy. This was akin to saying 'we haven't really got a chance in this game but we'll turn up anyway.'

The players did him proud to be fair but we were never going to get anything better than a 0-0 draw and how many teams have gone and defended, defended, defended for 90 minutes and achieved the 0-0 they came for? Not many, something usually gives somewhere.

Maybe DM needs to get himself into a more positive frame of mind ahead of the derby or we'll lose that on Friday night too.

 

[Neiler]

Many of us are managers of people in our day to day existence. Some of us are sad enough to have read some books or attended courses about the art of managing your team, motivational stuff. Alot of it can be **** but occasionally you find out some little nuggets of knowledge that you can take with you.

One of my great beliefs is that my team ethos (in this case 28 front of house staff and 10 chefs and porters), positivity, approach to their job, customers and everything else is very much a reflection of me, their leader.

When I'm on a down day, the team tends to reflect this a bit so I blag it, lift myself up and they come with me. When I'm flying, we do great money, provide great service and food and generally have a fuggin' good day regardless of how tough it might get. I'm no management guru, far from it, and I love Davie and we certainly couldn't do each others jobs.

David Moyes lost the game against Citeh when he sat in a press conference and used his 'going into a gunfight with a knife' analogy. This was akin to saying 'we haven't really got a chance in this game but we'll turn up anyway.'

The players did him proud to be fair but we were never going to get anything better than a 0-0 draw and how many teams have gone and defended, defended, defended for 90 minutes and achieved the 0-0 they came for? Not many, something usually gives somewhere.

Maybe DM needs to get himself into a more positive frame of mind ahead of the derby or we'll lose that on Friday night too.

I think we and and most fans have unrealistic expectations, if we went in yesterday with a different game plan we would get badly bummed, Moyes is the master of percentage football - given our financial circumstances and players at our disposal this is the appropriate way to play and set up presently. I said at the start of the season we would be less pretty this year but more effective i think we are seeing this.

I tink last season is pretty self evidentwhen it comes to supports expectations we played some good stuff without putting teams to the sword - that got old very quickly - when results didnt follow - it was close to meltdown on here before xmas. Fans dont know what they want, but they know they want it now and plenty of it.

 

[Tubey]

Yeah I was talking about this the other day during the game.

It shocks me how Evertonians accept David Moyes going out and looking for a 0-0 draw. Tony Pulis with Stoke didn't do that against the reigning champions yesterday - he lined up with a sensible 4-4-2 and they got their deserved reward from it.

I can understand keeping it tight away from home for an hour, and I was praising Moyes' approach in the first half, especially with the man-to-man job he had on Silva. Good stuff.

However, he never intended to change it up later on. He simply wanted to hang on for 90 minutes.

David Moyes, once again, got it wrong yesterday, and he will continue to get it wrong. He has destroyed every single striker we've had during his tenure here as he doesn't know how to support an attacker whilst maintaining defensive shape.

Yes, I understand City are the rich boys with an array of talent, and I'm not advocating a suicidal all out attack approach from the first whistle. But you have to give the opposition something to think about otherwise you get swamped and you lose.

Similarly, against lesser sides, you have to have some sort of practiced, well utilised offensive system to break them down. We consistently lose to the lesser sides as we have absolutely no idea how to play on the front foot.

We need a change in attitude at management level, and unfortunately that means Moyes has to go in the near future, as he'll never change.

 

[Muggins]

Yesterdays set up and tactics upset me very much.

I KNEW 100% we would lose set out like that. It was just a matter of time before they scored. Moyes was hoping the same hit and run tactics will work forever.

He made Everton look much worse than we are.

I mean 3 attempts on target ffs. Name one other Premier League manager who fields a team week in week out with no actual Strikers.

Pure madness from Moyes, i fear he's losing the plot.

Come on Davey, what's going on????

 

[Tubey]

Yesterdays set up and tactics upset me very much.

I KNEW 100% we would lose set out like that. It was just a matter of time before they scored. Moyes was hoping the same hit and run tactics will work forever.

He made Everton look much worse than we are.

I mean 3 attempts on target ffs. Name one other Premier League manager who fields a team week in week out with no actual Strikers.

Pure madness from Moyes, i fear he's losing the plot.

Come on Davey, what's going on????

He simply didn't play to win the game. There's no denying that. And I'll be damned if I ever accept an Everton side playing for a 0-0 draw. That's not deluded or an unrealistic expectation, it's simply me being a football fan and expecting my teams manager to have a gameplan to come away with at least a 1-0 win from every game.

He's not just losing the plot - he lost it two years ago and people haven't noticed yet, because he has the safest job in world football.

 

[Mvflusk]

Tony Pulis got a point because

1 - Wayne Rooney was injured before the game.
2 - They were forced at the last minute to put Valencia at Right Back
3 - They kicked Chicarito out of the game in the first 5 minutes and got away with two penalties
4 - They were at home

Not because they "had a go". Besides don't compare Stoke at home to United to us away to City. Remember we've had 4 out of our last 6 points at home to United.

Agree with Nelier. That set up gave us our best chance of getting something from the game, a chance that wasn't to be unfortunately. Tottenham had a go and got done 5-1. We didn't need that sort of morale destroying defeat a week before a very winnable derby.

 

[Matt Damon]

Moyes was merely reflecting the fact Manchester City have spent £450million.

NO ONE Chelsea included have spent that in such a short period of time (three years)


You talk about management style?


You can only make decisions based on your personnel.

Frankly we've got a load of inexperienced, young players who are coming through. The reasons for that are well documented.

Had say the lot of them had 12 months FULL experience in the league. I don't doubt Moyes may have set a more aggressive setup.

But you can only work with what you have at the time.


Those second guessing the manager are spouting ridiculous stuff about management. The fact is Moyes has said several times, we are a team in transition ( "I'm building a new team" and that the style of play won't be our best for a while).

People just aren't listening, too busy putting their own agenda's into play.

 

[Tubey]

If getting beat 2-0 is an acceptable result, then are those supporrters really happy then? The pundits and commentators were saying how well we defended through the game. We let two goals in. Ok, one deflected, one an error. However, tactically we were not set up to recover from going behind. The resulting actions with the substitutes was a formation that we didn't want to play at the start incase we got smashed! We still got beat 2-0. I'd rather have gone down fighting for 90 minutes. That City side were not much better than last season, but we paid them way too much respect apart from the first 20 mins, we ended up with nothing.

It's sad when even the manager of the club you support believes the hype about Manchester City. The way Napoli played against them in the Champions League is the way we should of played yesterday. We did the first bit right by keeping them quiet for the first 45. We put ourselves in a position to have a 'free crack' at them in the second half by becoming more adventurous. Didn't happen only until it was too late.

Those two pretty sum up my opinion on the matter. I don't understand under any circumstance how a 2-0 loss is a "good result", even if it were Barcelona, but whatever.

By the way mvflusk, if you want to bring up our record against Man U recently, maybe you'd like to check our recent away record to Man City prior to today.

 

[RFUS]

But you can only work with what you have at the time.

That is an insult to our team. We have, at this time, sh*t tons of genuine quality.

We ignored all of it and instead focused on containing the opposition's quality. When they inevitably broke through we had no game plan, and so the fans have a right to question Moyes' decisions yesterday. It's embarrassing for us, that we set up with no objective other than to not lose. We shouldn't do that against anyone.

 

[Matt Damon]

He simply didn't play to win the game. There's no denying that. And I'll be damned if I ever accept an Everton side playing for a 0-0 draw. That's not deluded or an unrealistic expectation, it's simply me being a football fan and expecting my teams manager to have a gameplan to come away with at least a 1-0 win from every game.

He's not just losing the plot - he lost it two years ago and people haven't noticed yet, because he has the safest job in world football.

Nonsense post. Nonsense.

 

[Tubey]

You can only make decisions based on your personnel.


People just aren't listening, too busy putting their own agenda's into play.

1. Ridiculous comment that belittles our side.

2. Because you don't have an agenda at all!

 

[zed]

Yeah I was talking about this the other day during the game.

It shocks me how Evertonians accept David Moyes going out and looking for a 0-0 draw. Tony Pulis with Stoke didn't do that against the reigning champions yesterday - he lined up with a sensible 4-4-2 and they got their deserved reward from it.

I can understand keeping it tight away from home for an hour, and I was praising Moyes' approach in the first half, especially with the man-to-man job he had on Silva. Good stuff.

However, he never intended to change it up later on. He simply wanted to hang on for 90 minutes.

David Moyes, once again, got it wrong yesterday, and he will continue to get it wrong. He has destroyed every single striker we've had during his tenure here as he doesn't know how to support an attacker whilst maintaining defensive shape.

Yes, I understand City are the rich boys with an array of talent, and I'm not advocating a suicidal all out attack approach from the first whistle. But you have to give the opposition something to think about otherwise you get swamped and you lose.

Similarly, against lesser sides, you have to have some sort of practiced, well utilised offensive system to break them down. We consistently lose to the lesser sides as we have absolutely no idea how to play on the front foot.

We need a change in attitude at management level, and unfortunately that means Moyes has to go in the near future, as he'll never change.

1/... you might have a case about moyes destroying our strikers. but. the thing is - i`ve never been convinced by the ones we have bought under him -up til now. he needs to get his act together with saha and vellios. 2/... we have found it difficult to break down teams who `park the bus` (ahem! yesterday cough!) for years. i hope coleman and drenthe starting games can sort this problem out. 3/... i not gonna slate moyes like i have recently. he is working on less than a shoestring budget and assembled a tasty squad that i think has real potential

 

[Muggins]

People on here seem to think we had two choices, set up like we did and lose 2-0 or set up more attacking and lose 5-0.

That's a load of ****e. A premier league manager should find the balance between the 2 extremes.

The fact that most members on here know what Moyes is going to do is a sad state of affairs.

Bet Moyes is crap at Monopoly.

 

[Matt Damon]

That is an insult to our team. We have, at this time, sh*t tons of genuine quality.

We ignored all of it and instead focused on containing the opposition's quality. When they inevitably broke through we had no game plan, and so the fans have a right to question Moyes' decisions yesterday. It's embarrassing for us, that we set up with no objective other than to not lose. We shouldn't do that against anyone.

We have quality yes. But as I explained yesterday that quality is either developing... is coming back from injury or just isn't in top form at the moment.


Its a fact, if you're going to go up against a £450m team - you have to be in top form.

And I haven't said anything yet about the refereeing yesterday either yet....

 

[Matt Damon]

1. Ridiculous comment that belittles our side.

2. Because you don't have an agenda at all!

No I don't.

And you're one specifically who ISN'T LISTENING.