David Moyes and Frontmen

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Christiffa25 said:
Ok, spurs have had the same problem with unhappy strikers since vdv came in. Pav and defeo are always moaning crouch has gone and adabayor is now there first choice with vdv off him.

Let's look at utd's current strikers.
Rooney - 30m berbatov - 30M chicco 8M (as a unknown)

City's
Tevez -20M+ auguro - 35M dzeko 30M ish balotelli ???

Come on guys I'm sure if moyes had money at will over the years and could of gone out and bought strikers for 20M a time this thread would not even exist!
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Its not really about spending the money, its using the players hes got well.

It seems that he tries to mould strikers in playing a certain way to fit a system rather than playing on their strengths.

Probably why they tend to last the one season.
 
We've had some decent looking pairings: Beattie & Johnson, Yakubu & Johnson and Saha & Beckford. I think the problem has been though that Moyes would rather accommodate Cahill in the hole than a second striker. Playing up front for us is a thankless task- chasing down hoofs out of defence and being expected to turn them into chances, with little support from the midfield.
 
Yakubu and Bent's first seasons and Saha's second show that Moyes is capable of accommodating strikers fruitfully, but that is a pretty low success rate given the number of strikers he's had play under him.
 
I remember there was once a time where Beattie and Johnson had major purple patches where they scored a fair amount of goals in a fairly short space of time. Beattie in the back end of the 05/06 season, Johnson 6 months later.

I agree with this striker stuff, but I find it harder to believe that it's taken us 5 years to get a proper out and out wide midfielder in Drenthe. The last proper one before that was Kevin Kilbane, if you ask me.
 

Like most things wrong with everton it comes down to team selection and tactics. We don't make enough chances, if one of our strikers was to hit 20 goals a season he would have to score almost every chance he gets.
We rely on humping the ball forward and hoping for the best. We don't give our forwards anything to feed off. If moyes was ever gong to address this problem properly you would have thought he would have done by now, in the transfer windows when he spent alot of money.
 
I think Moyes handles his strikers badly because of his insistence of 4-5-1 and Cahill. The Yak managed to succeed because that's more suited to his game. But I don't know about the other guys, even Beattie looked a lot better when he was up front with AJ. Les conservative approach and we might see our strikers scoring more goals and being happier.
 
Its a fair point to a degree, but there is context - for me its the system anyone scoring 10+ goals in our system is doing well to be honest, the maximum in terms of how we set up of one up front is 15+ from a main target man for me in that system. To put that into perspective Beckford and Saha combined last season socred 15 - so actually did pretty well.

Argueably the role of playing of the front man is that of a second stirker and Moyes has said that STC has been playing as a striker for the past few years. STC - scored 9 in the league last year - up to Jan, after that Ossie scored 4 meaning. We actually got about 30 goals last season from the front two positions in the league last season. Which all in all stands up.

For me in playing the system we do, you need 8-10 goals from the wide areas, i look at at the wide midfeilders as wing forwards rather then wingers as our width comes from full backs, Pienaar, Arteta and Colemans returns have been poor in that respect - those are the areas we need to improve on, hopefully Drentne, Mc Fadds may offer us something more from those positions whoknows maybe even Billy. We need more of a return, thats where the prob is for me.
 
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