Cuco Martina

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Not good enough yet. Holgate will be something big for us, but a) He's not a RB, and b) He's 19, and not ready to feature day in and day out if Coleman is injured over months.
All the square pegs in round holes comments seem to only apply to senior players, which is strange.
 

So he's made one mistake and thus isn't good enough?

Bit OTT that mate if I'm honest

He's young and will make mistakes, but even with that in mind, what has this Martina shown anywhere else to suggest he's a better option?

I really think we need to get away from this idea that the manager always has to be infallible and we must trust him explicitly. We did that with Martinez and it didn't end well

Koeman has thus far had success with the new guys he's brought in, and if Holgate hadn't been playing you could argue that he hasn't impressed in training and thus I'd be more inclined to just trust Koeman's judgment

That hasn't happened though. He's played and played well, even pushing for MOTM last week

In this situation, I think it's fair game to cast a critical eye, especially as this Martina lad would appear to be a bit toss
We don't see what RK sees in training,maybe Holgate has a few flaws in his game that the manager would prefer were not ironed out in the Prem.Think it's better we buy squad fillers that the manager has previous experience of.
 
just sods law now. agree striker deal and arsenal change their minds on the basis he might be good so he can't come here. Now a chance a cheap right back unwanted by saints might not happen because the first choice is injured!

What next? Storms stop helicopters flying them over on deadline day?

Remember when the Icelandic volcano eruption prevented Blackburn from signing Lewandowski on deadline day haha?
 
Remember when the Icelandic volcano eruption prevented Blackburn from signing Lewandowski on deadline day haha?
that is something that would happen to us if we were signing a player potentially that good!

imagine that for blackburn fans in the championship with venkys. They once nearly had a striker who scored 4 goals in 5 minutes last season because he is actually good.
 

Did this almost happen?

He is the name on everyone's lips this morning and the one all Real Madrid fans are cursing, yet Robert Lewandowski could have been pulling on the shirts of Blackburn or West Bromwich Albion.

Tony Mowbray repeatedly tried to sign the striker when playing in his native Poland, while the Icelandic ash cloud in 2008 put paid to him traveling to sign for Blackburn.

Mowbray was trawling Europe for a goalscorer while West Bromwich manager in November 2008 when he was alerted to a raw young striker making an impression at Lech Poznan.

Although his father was a Polish judo champion and mother a volleyball player, Warsaw-born Lewandowski was a scrawny, 20 year old.

He had just joined Poznan in the summer from unfashionable Znics Pruszkow for a princely sum of 1.5million zlotys, around £310,000 and was scoring goals. Yet many scouts believed he was still too lightweight to cut it in the hustle and bustle of the English leagues.

Mowbray, however, was willing to take a chance. He saw Lewandowski impress for Poland U21s and proposed a loan, which was rejected, then a loan with a view to a £600,000 deal.

Poznan demanded more cash but then the young Lewandowski said he needed another season in Poland to develop.

Mowbray didn't give up and tried again when he became Celtic manager. This time he wasn't alone. Premier League and Serie A clubs were on Lewandowski's trail and the price had gone up to £4m.

It proved too rich for Celtic and Blackburn manager Sam Allardyce made his move. He invited Lewandowski to watch Blackburn's game with Everton and the deal was set. This time though, Mother Nature intervened or, to be exact, Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano.

The ash cloud meant Lewandowski's flight was cancelled. 'He got the invitation [from Blackburn], but due to the cancellation of the flights he could not go, and it makes no sense to drive,' said agent Cezary Kucharski.

As a move to Britain stalled on the runway, Dortmund stepped in and Lewandowski's flightpath to success was set, much to Mowbray's chagrin.
 
He is the name on everyone's lips this morning and the one all Real Madrid fans are cursing, yet Robert Lewandowski could have been pulling on the shirts of Blackburn or West Bromwich Albion.

Tony Mowbray repeatedly tried to sign the striker when playing in his native Poland, while the Icelandic ash cloud in 2008 put paid to him traveling to sign for Blackburn.

Mowbray was trawling Europe for a goalscorer while West Bromwich manager in November 2008 when he was alerted to a raw young striker making an impression at Lech Poznan.

Although his father was a Polish judo champion and mother a volleyball player, Warsaw-born Lewandowski was a scrawny, 20 year old.

He had just joined Poznan in the summer from unfashionable Znics Pruszkow for a princely sum of 1.5million zlotys, around £310,000 and was scoring goals. Yet many scouts believed he was still too lightweight to cut it in the hustle and bustle of the English leagues.

Mowbray, however, was willing to take a chance. He saw Lewandowski impress for Poland U21s and proposed a loan, which was rejected, then a loan with a view to a £600,000 deal.

Poznan demanded more cash but then the young Lewandowski said he needed another season in Poland to develop.

Mowbray didn't give up and tried again when he became Celtic manager. This time he wasn't alone. Premier League and Serie A clubs were on Lewandowski's trail and the price had gone up to £4m.

It proved too rich for Celtic and Blackburn manager Sam Allardyce made his move. He invited Lewandowski to watch Blackburn's game with Everton and the deal was set. This time though, Mother Nature intervened or, to be exact, Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano.

The ash cloud meant Lewandowski's flight was cancelled. 'He got the invitation [from Blackburn], but due to the cancellation of the flights he could not go, and it makes no sense to drive,' said agent Cezary Kucharski.

As a move to Britain stalled on the runway, Dortmund stepped in and Lewandowski's flightpath to success was set, much to Mowbray's chagrin.
WOW! Never knew that!
 

Not good enough yet. Holgate will be something big for us, but a) He's not a RB, and b) He's 19, and not ready to feature day in and day out if Coleman is injured over months.
All the square pegs in round holes comments seem to only apply to senior players, which is strange.
Agreed.

People are being a bit daft moaning about us potentially signing a RB. Relying on Holgate if Coleman gets injured could ruin him. Very risky.
 
He is the name on everyone's lips this morning and the one all Real Madrid fans are cursing, yet Robert Lewandowski could have been pulling on the shirts of Blackburn or West Bromwich Albion.

Tony Mowbray repeatedly tried to sign the striker when playing in his native Poland, while the Icelandic ash cloud in 2008 put paid to him traveling to sign for Blackburn.

Mowbray was trawling Europe for a goalscorer while West Bromwich manager in November 2008 when he was alerted to a raw young striker making an impression at Lech Poznan.

Although his father was a Polish judo champion and mother a volleyball player, Warsaw-born Lewandowski was a scrawny, 20 year old.

He had just joined Poznan in the summer from unfashionable Znics Pruszkow for a princely sum of 1.5million zlotys, around £310,000 and was scoring goals. Yet many scouts believed he was still too lightweight to cut it in the hustle and bustle of the English leagues.

Mowbray, however, was willing to take a chance. He saw Lewandowski impress for Poland U21s and proposed a loan, which was rejected, then a loan with a view to a £600,000 deal.

Poznan demanded more cash but then the young Lewandowski said he needed another season in Poland to develop.

Mowbray didn't give up and tried again when he became Celtic manager. This time he wasn't alone. Premier League and Serie A clubs were on Lewandowski's trail and the price had gone up to £4m.

It proved too rich for Celtic and Blackburn manager Sam Allardyce made his move. He invited Lewandowski to watch Blackburn's game with Everton and the deal was set. This time though, Mother Nature intervened or, to be exact, Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano.

The ash cloud meant Lewandowski's flight was cancelled. 'He got the invitation [from Blackburn], but due to the cancellation of the flights he could not go, and it makes no sense to drive,' said agent Cezary Kucharski.

As a move to Britain stalled on the runway, Dortmund stepped in and Lewandowski's flightpath to success was set, much to Mowbray's chagrin.

Fate, it's was never meant to be.
 

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