Creating a Dynasty

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I relegated myself to the conference with everton on football manager editor once!

To survive i had to sell one top player per window although i managed to get rom, ross n stones on 5 year contracts before they cottoned on they were playing in the vanarama conference!

Just played the kids and them 3 and promotion after promotion after promotion i ended up in the champions league with the likes of Walsh, Ledson, Kenny, Dowell, Williams & Galloway regular first teamers with 150+ first team appearences each (binned Garbutt off as he was being all moody with his fancy haircut)

So what im saying is to build a dynasty we need to get into some sketchy Juventus Sh*t!
Get ourselves demoted to the conference and work our way from there
 
oldblue said:
What a surprise. Yet another thread becomes an 'I hate Martinez' tirade.
Just lucky our new shareholder doesn't read any of this or he'll believe he's come to a club with very limited imagination.
I think it would be good to see a lot more young players coming through who are confident on the ball and the players around them. It's been depressing in the past to see people wearing the blue shirt who just wanted shut of it as soon as possible.
Be great if the backbone of the side had grown up playing together and felt a connection to the club.
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I don't hate RM, he seems like a genuinely nice chap. I dislike his style of management tho. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I think if Mosh reads the forums he will understand that he has bought a club with a passionate fan base, who speak their minds and want the best for their club. Why does not wanting our current captain to be at the helm a lack of imagination? Surely just following the crowd and just accepting the lack of managerial nous is an indication of 'very limited imagination'? A person who can 'imagine' a scenario that is different from the current one shows pure imagination?
 
Kaiser Soysauce said:
I don't hate RM, he seems like a genuinely nice chap. I dislike his style of management tho. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I think if Mosh reads the forums he will understand that he has bought a club with a passionate fan base, who speak their minds and want the best for their club. Why does not wanting our current captain to be at the helm a lack of imagination? Surely just following the crowd and just accepting the lack of managerial nous is an indication of 'very limited imagination'? A person who can 'imagine' a scenario that is different from the current one shows pure imagination?
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Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but if I asked you about fish and you talked to me about meat then it's an indication of obsession.
Imagination requires you to think about broader things without repeating a simplistic mantra.
Whether you want the manager here at the moment or not do you think that limits your thinking to that?
 
oldblue said:
What is it you all fear? This goes so much deeper than a football manager clearly
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...don't think it does though does it mate, not really. I've certainly not known a manager divide opinion so much for YEARS. And by the very definition of that alone, well, it's suggestive of it not being a simple bout of fickleness & (BIG yawn) kneejerk-ism isn't it...

But if you want an answer on as to what it is people fear - as patronizing a question as it was - then see VILLA/WIGAN et al. Then consider that we're now on a par with STOKE/SOUTHAMPTON etc. Then consider that - despite 'investment' - there are players making noises to 'off', namely the big boy with the goals...then consider that however far RM is into his 'rebuild' it'll have to - in likelihood - backtrack now anyway to attempt replace/re-find 20 odd goals per season from somewhere...

People are right to be concerned mate. It's a manager with a record of being unwilling to change and adapt, there's no denying that is there...

That said, if he does address 'stuff' - and in answer to the original point/posed question - I'd love a side with the heady blend of the attacking flair that he instilled yet, sadly, is all too often lacking...I'd like that married to a well-drilled, not overly fancy defensive unit that does what it's supposed to do and doesn't piss about. If he can do that then I'm more than willing to eat a BIG slice of H-Pie...

Personally, can't see it like...

Ho-Hum.

Best just go out and win a cup then eh....Yissssssssssssss.

#ONWARD
 

TheHumbleEgg said:
...don't think it does though does it mate, not really. I've certainly not known a manager divide opinion so much for YEARS. And by the very definition of that alone, well, it's suggestive of it not being a simple bout of fickleness & (BIG yawn) kneejerk-ism isn't it...

But if you want an answer on as to what it is people fear - as patronizing a question as it was - then see VILLA/WIGAN et al. Then consider that we're now on a par with STOKE/SOUTHAMPTON etc. Then consider that - despite 'investment' - there are players making noises to 'off', namely the big boy with the goals...then consider that however far RM is into his 'rebuild' it'll have to - in likelihood - backtrack now anyway to attempt replace/re-find 20 odd goals per season from somewhere...

People are right to be concerned mate. It's a manager with a record of being unwilling to change and adapt, there's no denying that is there...

That said, if he does address 'stuff' - and in answer to the original point/posed question - I'd love a side with the heady blend of the attacking flair that he instilled yet, sadly, is all too often lacking...I'd like that married to a well-drilled, not overly fancy defensive unit that does what it's supposed to do and doesn't piss about. If he can do that then I'm more than willing to eat a BIG slice of H-Pie...

Personally, can't see it like...

Ho-Hum.

Best just go out and win a cup then eh....Yissssssssssssss.

#ONWARD
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Not suggesting it's kneejerk at all. But I think there's people with passionate views on both side. Then, and it's just a feeling, I think there are a handful of fans to who it's become about something else. Can't say what I think that is without it getting personal. But if a fan asks a question and it's not related and there's a few who try to railroad it to 'discuss' the manager then in my opinion they are identifying themselves as being in the latter category and clearly this is not just about the future of the blues. Just my opinion though
 
TheHumbleEgg said:
...don't think it does though does it mate, not really. I've certainly not known a manager divide opinion so much for YEARS. And by the very definition of that alone, well, it's suggestive of it not being a simple bout of fickleness & (BIG yawn) kneejerk-ism isn't it...

But if you want an answer on as to what it is people fear - as patronizing a question as it was - then see VILLA/WIGAN et al. Then consider that we're now on a par with STOKE/SOUTHAMPTON etc. Then consider that - despite 'investment' - there are players making noises to 'off', namely the big boy with the goals...then consider that however far RM is into his 'rebuild' it'll have to - in likelihood - backtrack now anyway to attempt replace/re-find 20 odd goals per season from somewhere...

People are right to be concerned mate. It's a manager with a record of being unwilling to change and adapt, there's no denying that is there...

That said, if he does address 'stuff' - and in answer to the original point/posed question - I'd love a side with the heady blend of the attacking flair that he instilled yet, sadly, is all too often lacking...I'd like that married to a well-drilled, not overly fancy defensive unit that does what it's supposed to do and doesn't piss about. If he can do that then I'm more than willing to eat a BIG slice of H-Pie...

Personally, can't see it like...

Ho-Hum.

Best just go out and win a cup then eh....Yissssssssssssss.

#ONWARD
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And I totally agree with everything you've said about the club. If winning with style becomes a regular thing then I won't care how many times I'm wrong along the way.
 
oldblue said:
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but if I asked you about fish and you talked to me about meat then it's an indication of obsession.
Imagination requires you to think about broader things without repeating a simplistic mantra.
Whether you want the manager here at the moment or not do you think that limits your thinking to that?
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Not necessarily. Many of us here are not au fait with business management or current marketing structures. That does not mean we have a limited imagination or are indeed obsessive. It means we are limited by our education. That doesn't mean we lack intelligence either by the way.
 
Zatara said:
Being an Evertonian yourself...if you were Farhad Moshiri looking at our squad now with the hopes of not only reaching the top 4 consistently but also being known across Europe what:

A -- Players do we have now in the squad who over the next few years could be at the very top level ?

B -- Style of play would you like us to emulate using an example of another teams style or one from our own past?

C-- Would you want our club to be known for? For example, would you want us to be known for having clean sheets, lots of attacking football, being a young side or a certain style of play...?


For me:
A:

Funes-Mori (Needs more consistency)
Stones (Better defensive nous)
McCarthy (same role as Butt for Utd)
Besic (Get past the injuries)
Barkley (Become more arrogant in his play)
Deulofeu (improve defensively+fitness)
Lukaku (Improve 'off the ball')
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Sorry Zatara all went to pot for me when I got to A!

I hate to say it and I wish it weren't so but Messrs Stones and Lukaku may well be in the Everton squad now, but I have a really bad feeling they won't be when the P/L kicks off again in August! I hope I'm wrong!
 

Kaiser Soysauce said:
Not necessarily. Many of us here are not au fait with business management or current marketing structures. That does not mean we have a limited imagination or are indeed obsessive. It means we are limited by our education. That doesn't mean we lack intelligence either by the way.
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Can't see the connection but I accept you don't lack intelligence
 
oldblue said:
Not suggesting it's kneejerk at all. But I think there's people with passionate views on both side. Then, and it's just a feeling, I think there are a handful of fans to who it's become about something else. Can't say what I think that is without it getting personal. But if a fan asks a question and it's not related and there's a few who try to railroad it to 'discuss' the manager then in my opinion they are identifying themselves as being in the latter category and clearly this is not just about the future of the blues. Just my opinion though
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You're dead on.

Imagine, i create a 'reasonable' thread and then immediately its filled with total nonsense all once again totally unrelated to the thread. I think you either have to question peoples intelligence levels to some extent...

I mean its not hard is it:

What players can springboard us to the top
What other teams style of play do you want to emulate
What do you want the club to be known for

Pretty unrelated responses and just another thread derailed from the mindless posters filling the baord with "Martinez Out" every single post.

People are even posting saying they would rather not win the cup if thst meant Martinez stays.

For me its a direct intelligence correlation so obviously doing and thinking the opposite to them means im correct.


back on topic...what are your responses to the points i asked in the opening post?
 

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