Fat Stan
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Ta Failte Romhat!
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Could losing 4 nil to Liverpool be the greatest thing that ever happened to Everton?
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Ta Failte Romhat!
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Er no.
Er no.
WarwickHunt
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I understand what he's saying.
When the media interviewed Jags after Arsenal there was talk of the title, even pundits said it. Now,our results; Sunderland to present have been below par, we've looked average and have struggled at times. Lukaku hasn't played well during this period. Coleman has been world class like but as a team it hasn't been the best at times. The football against QPR was fantastic football and we played well against Norwich but I wasn't happy with the Stoke or WBA performance, they were difficult games which led to this defeat. NOW, we've been slaughtered on the pitch and it should be a wake up call for all. It will feel like a shock, disbelief, bring a few players back down to earth, we will/should come out fighting against Aston Villa and so forth. We play better under that underdog mentality, when people said we are a mid table team we proved them wrong with boss football and results to match. This is like the Wigan game last season. It is now the start of a new chapter.
When the media interviewed Jags after Arsenal there was talk of the title, even pundits said it. Now,our results; Sunderland to present have been below par, we've looked average and have struggled at times. Lukaku hasn't played well during this period. Coleman has been world class like but as a team it hasn't been the best at times. The football against QPR was fantastic football and we played well against Norwich but I wasn't happy with the Stoke or WBA performance, they were difficult games which led to this defeat. NOW, we've been slaughtered on the pitch and it should be a wake up call for all. It will feel like a shock, disbelief, bring a few players back down to earth, we will/should come out fighting against Aston Villa and so forth. We play better under that underdog mentality, when people said we are a mid table team we proved them wrong with boss football and results to match. This is like the Wigan game last season. It is now the start of a new chapter.
You tell 'em, Fat man.
And anyway, we would never be playing Liverpool on the last day of the season......b)
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Cookachoo
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Love the optimism but no, absolute nonsense.
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £60m
We had a bad day at the office. Get over it.
Barkley, Pienaar, Alcaraz and Jagielka clearly weren't fit. Naismith is not, and never will be a Striker in the Premiership, so it was finished when he was our lone striker. Nothing against the lad. Stones isn't a Right Back, but throwing him in at the deep end will only help him learn, however cruel it was.
Things just didn't go our way. It felt everything they hit, went it, and well on the night the best team won. I'm not gonna have sour grapes over it, because whats the point? It'll only make them more giddy. But how different could it have been in Barkley's effort after a minute was under the bar instead of over!
Give it a couple of weeks, and we'll have Lukaku, Deulofeu and Coleman back, with a fully fit Barkley, Pienaar, Jagielka, Distin and Alcaraz. I think the result will make our estimations drop. Looking back to August, and when everyone was tipping us to crumble and collapse, well, we've still proved everyone wrong, and the world isn't over. Liverpool could lose at the weekend, and we could win. We're back where we were as of 7:59 on Monday. Who knows what will happen.
Martinez got it wrong, held his hands up, and as Evertonians, how nice is it to know that we don't have to put up with Day trippers with their half and half scarves. Imagine leadining 4-0 in the Derby at Goodison, the place would be rocking, yet they were dead.
The 4-0 should be a kick up the arse to the players, play sub par and you'll lose. Villa is a crucial 3 points now.
We may have lost, but it's boss to be a blue.
Barkley, Pienaar, Alcaraz and Jagielka clearly weren't fit. Naismith is not, and never will be a Striker in the Premiership, so it was finished when he was our lone striker. Nothing against the lad. Stones isn't a Right Back, but throwing him in at the deep end will only help him learn, however cruel it was.
Things just didn't go our way. It felt everything they hit, went it, and well on the night the best team won. I'm not gonna have sour grapes over it, because whats the point? It'll only make them more giddy. But how different could it have been in Barkley's effort after a minute was under the bar instead of over!
Give it a couple of weeks, and we'll have Lukaku, Deulofeu and Coleman back, with a fully fit Barkley, Pienaar, Jagielka, Distin and Alcaraz. I think the result will make our estimations drop. Looking back to August, and when everyone was tipping us to crumble and collapse, well, we've still proved everyone wrong, and the world isn't over. Liverpool could lose at the weekend, and we could win. We're back where we were as of 7:59 on Monday. Who knows what will happen.
Martinez got it wrong, held his hands up, and as Evertonians, how nice is it to know that we don't have to put up with Day trippers with their half and half scarves. Imagine leadining 4-0 in the Derby at Goodison, the place would be rocking, yet they were dead.
The 4-0 should be a kick up the arse to the players, play sub par and you'll lose. Villa is a crucial 3 points now.
We may have lost, but it's boss to be a blue.
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The Equaliser
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Could deleting this thread be the greatest thing that ever happened to GOT ?
I might be able to get on board with this. Not sure when but perhaps I can see it...
It's a bit infectious, that's for sure. This thread is the only thing that's made me smile since yesterday.
It's a bit infectious, that's for sure. This thread is the only thing that's made me smile since yesterday.
Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
This. I can hear the sniggers from RAWK all the way from New Zealand and I don't even blame them. There are hundreds and thousands of things that are greater things that a 4-0 derby loss. If we react with fire in our belly and go a winning run then it won't be as bad, but its still a 4-0 Loss to Them
TGW89
Player Valuation: £35m
Short answer, yes - IF we learn from it and storm the top 4 next season, building a squad who WANTS IT on derby day (ooh suit them!) eventually challenging for honours and winning a few teapots now and then.
That is largely down to Kenwright giving us a long overdue reason to believe in him.... or not as the case very well may be! The next couple of days will be CRUCIAL to how this season goes. Fail to sign any players and this season will be even more lopsided than 2004/05 was and it just becomes an experiment with all hanging on the FA Cup.
Anyone who thinks we will stroll to a massive win over Villa on Saturday needs shooting with a hand cannon.
In essence, we got what we wanted at Anfield on Tuesday... an attacking performance which I still take more encouragement from than the likes of Anfield 2008, 2010, 2012. However, I think under Moyes (particularly towards the end) we imagined some fairytale where under a new manager the reds would shyt themselves in surprse and give us that first away win in 15.... I know I did!
We underestimate the reds at our peril... as anyone else does with us of course when our squad is fully fit. Show them sportsmanlke respect off the pitch, but once that whistle goes they are for 90 minutes there to be tortured!
In any case our record against them is too poor to blame solely on refs, and given their unassailable lead in the historical head-to-head fact the team might as well treat it like any other game - could the solution be something as simple as that?
Or do they perhaps treat it TOO MUCH like any other game? This problem goes beyond the pitch and into the very psyche of the human mind and it's a case of nurture over nature. Gerrard is an animal through and through, end of. Baines and Ossie just seem too civilised as people to prevail in a local derby. We know Barkley wasn't match fit so I will not include him in this equation.
Think back to the 90s derbies and how combative our midfield was compared to theirs (albeit classier but less "hardened") - I sometimes read old reports because I'm a massive geek. In his match report of the October 1997 derby (a 2-0 win), Guy McEvoy says:
"In midfield we were brutal, Ince and McManaman couldn't get in the game, Fowler was (probably is) impotent, the Foreign imported reds didn't look like they could be bothered playing. Yet again Everton were giving the Kopites a lesson in the meaning of the word 'pride'."
When was the last time we actually ROUGHED UP Liverpool in this way? Closed them down and chased it?
Learn from it or not though, I have never been this hacked off - not even after the Bucharest game. the 2012 semi or Norwich away last season!... Whatever the circumstances, the history books will show LIVERPOOL 4, EVERTON 0 - 28th January 2014 (Gerrard, Sturridge 2, Suarez)
It's all very well having a decent season with a positive manager, but when the gloryhunting, lousy, stinking 9/10ths of the city are presently strutting around in their kopite regalia like some sort of superior life form from Brave New World it can only get you down!
That is largely down to Kenwright giving us a long overdue reason to believe in him.... or not as the case very well may be! The next couple of days will be CRUCIAL to how this season goes. Fail to sign any players and this season will be even more lopsided than 2004/05 was and it just becomes an experiment with all hanging on the FA Cup.
Anyone who thinks we will stroll to a massive win over Villa on Saturday needs shooting with a hand cannon.
In essence, we got what we wanted at Anfield on Tuesday... an attacking performance which I still take more encouragement from than the likes of Anfield 2008, 2010, 2012. However, I think under Moyes (particularly towards the end) we imagined some fairytale where under a new manager the reds would shyt themselves in surprse and give us that first away win in 15.... I know I did!
We underestimate the reds at our peril... as anyone else does with us of course when our squad is fully fit. Show them sportsmanlke respect off the pitch, but once that whistle goes they are for 90 minutes there to be tortured!
In any case our record against them is too poor to blame solely on refs, and given their unassailable lead in the historical head-to-head fact the team might as well treat it like any other game - could the solution be something as simple as that?
Or do they perhaps treat it TOO MUCH like any other game? This problem goes beyond the pitch and into the very psyche of the human mind and it's a case of nurture over nature. Gerrard is an animal through and through, end of. Baines and Ossie just seem too civilised as people to prevail in a local derby. We know Barkley wasn't match fit so I will not include him in this equation.
Think back to the 90s derbies and how combative our midfield was compared to theirs (albeit classier but less "hardened") - I sometimes read old reports because I'm a massive geek. In his match report of the October 1997 derby (a 2-0 win), Guy McEvoy says:
"In midfield we were brutal, Ince and McManaman couldn't get in the game, Fowler was (probably is) impotent, the Foreign imported reds didn't look like they could be bothered playing. Yet again Everton were giving the Kopites a lesson in the meaning of the word 'pride'."
When was the last time we actually ROUGHED UP Liverpool in this way? Closed them down and chased it?
Learn from it or not though, I have never been this hacked off - not even after the Bucharest game. the 2012 semi or Norwich away last season!... Whatever the circumstances, the history books will show LIVERPOOL 4, EVERTON 0 - 28th January 2014 (Gerrard, Sturridge 2, Suarez)
It's all very well having a decent season with a positive manager, but when the gloryhunting, lousy, stinking 9/10ths of the city are presently strutting around in their kopite regalia like some sort of superior life form from Brave New World it can only get you down!
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DevineEFC
Player Valuation: £2.5m
The only positive I can take from the defeat is this, it has fully re-ignited my hatred for them! Never wanted them to fail as much as I do after this!
Genuinely didn't care about them before this, or the defeat really, but Reaction of there ******** fans has me fuming... hate them with a raw passion again
Genuinely didn't care about them before this, or the defeat really, but Reaction of there ******** fans has me fuming... hate them with a raw passion again
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