Conspiracy theories

[Black Belt Jones]

Wait, what?

People who believe conspiracy theories as you put it simply question their reality. I don't think there is anything different in their brain to invest in an alternative view of events. Because the truth is we are lied to about most things or misled at least.

The reason why so many more people question events is because there is much more of a wealth of knowledge out there. More footage , more accounts etc. Going back 20 years ago there wasn't access to such information .

I don't think it's anything different mentally, just those who question and those who accept.

Scientists and mathematicians spend their lives literally questioning reality - hypothesising, measuring, experimenting, theorising in an effort to understand how things work. They are the true questioners of our society. Do you think conspiracy theories / thinking are common in this group of people?

Because it sounds like you would think that, from what you've said there. But IME it is not common at all - you would make an absolute show of yourself trying to articulate a typical conspiracy theory to a gp of scientists - because these people have the real tools to understand the natural world, whereas conspiracy theorists do not.

I guess that's what it comes down to - intellectual curiosity is not something confined to clever people, it's human nature to want to make sense of the world around us for everyone. But the tools aren't easy to come by.

 

[Kenshin]

Scientists and mathematicians spend their lives literally questioning reality - hypothesising, measuring, experimenting, theorising in an effort to understand how things work. They are the true questioners of our society. Do you think conspiracy theories / thinking are common in this group of people?

Because it sounds like you would think that, from what you've said there. But IME it is not common at all - you would make an absolute show of yourself trying to articulate a typical conspiracy theory to a gp of scientists - because these people have the real tools to understand the natural world, whereas conspiracy theorists do not.

I guess that's what it comes down to - intellectual curiosity is not something confined to clever people, it's human nature to want to make sense of the world around us for everyone. But the tools aren't easy to come by.

The thing is.

There is nothing stopping me becoming a gp or a mathematician or a scientist. University degree and doctorate is all I need , easily achieved in 10 years of education.

So what is the difference there? I'm a conspiracy theorist now so my brain is re wired so to speak but if I got a piece of paper saying I'm a scientist then that is normal?

I'm not following what you mean?

 

[Black Belt Jones]

The thing is.

There is nothing stopping me becoming a gp or a mathematician or a scientist. University degree and doctorate is all I need , easily achieved in 10 years of education.

So what is the difference there? I'm a conspiracy theorist now so my brain is re wired so to speak but if I got a piece of paper saying I'm a scientist then that is normal?

I'm not following what you mean?

Obv there's a huge amount stopping people from doing that just practically speaking, and even more fundamentally there would be a massive mental barrier to ten years of science training as a grown person. Like being a gangster, becoming a scientist is not something you can get a late start on

But if you did manage to do that then you get a lot more than a piece of paper - you get a new mind, one that prob wouldn't find conspiracy theories all that interesting.

That's just science and the natural world tho - I appreciate how the greasy ale kebab of conspiracy theory thinking is more about sociological and psychological phenomena.

 

[magicjuan]

I remember there being stories about mobile phones frying our brains since they came out.

And yet look at us all now... gibbering wrecks
How much is down to phones and how much Everton FC?

 

[Tea_drinker]

Whether you believe that there is a virus or not its absolutely clear that recent events have led to a massive restriction of our freedom. It seems as if western societies are being shifted towards the levels of government control previously only known in Asia. The way that probably a majority of people have accepted these new rules suggests the imposition of facism by stealth, it's not even a conspiracy- it's happening.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Whether you believe that there is a virus or not its absolutely clear that recent events have led to a massive restriction of our freedom. It seems as if western societies are being shifted towards the levels of government control previously only known in Asia. The way that probably a majority of people have accepted these new rules suggests the imposition of facism by stealth, it's not even a conspiracy- it's happening.

Yep. We just have to look at Australia to see what is coming our way...

 

[trueblue84]

Whether you believe that there is a virus or not its absolutely clear that recent events have led to a massive restriction of our freedom. It seems as if western societies are being shifted towards the levels of government control previously only known in Asia. The way that probably a majority of people have accepted these new rules suggests the imposition of facism by stealth, it's not even a conspiracy- it's happening.

If anyone thinks the virus is a hoax, they should be fired into the sun.

What freedoms have been taken away that are not a direct response to try and manage the virus?

There's no coincidence that Americans seem most likely to believe its a hoax, ignore the advice around social distancing and face masks and have the highest infection rates in the world.

The evidence suggests that people aren't intelligent enough to just listen to expert advice first time. If they did, the Governments wouldn't need to make things mandatory.

 

[rylojr]

Remember that Westminster dossier that listed all the "High-level" suspected sex offenders that included MP's and such?

You know, the one that mysteriously "vanished"?

It seems the media don't seem to remember it, at all.

Who was last in possession of it?
Was there only one copy?
Was it not digitised?
Who is ultimately responsible for it? Which organisation or individual?
Why have they not been investigated?
Why are mainstream journalists not all over this story and asking these questions? It would the story of the century?

There's a solid conspiracy.....

Westminster paedophile dossier - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[tommytowne]

A year or two ago out of desperation for something to read I picked up The Girl Who Kicked The Hornets Nest and read it. I was half aware that it was the third of a trilogy but read it anyway. I enjoyed it and then read about the author Stieg Larsson.
I recently read the first and am currently halfway through the second of the three books.
The author seemed to be writing about things he had obviously become aware of in his role as an investigative reporter.
So his "sudden and unexpected death" that I'm aware of seems to have been readily accepted.
I wonder?

 

[Tramps_mate]

If anyone thinks the virus is a hoax, they should be fired into the sun.

What freedoms have been taken away that are not a direct response to try and manage the virus?

There's no coincidence that Americans seem most likely to believe its a hoax, ignore the advice around social distancing and face masks and have the highest infection rates in the world.

The evidence suggests that people aren't intelligent enough to just listen to expert advice first time. If they did, the Governments wouldn't need to make things mandatory.

Not a hoax but there's a lot of people who believe the virus is no where near as dangerous as we have been led to believe..

 

[tommytowne]

A year or two ago out of desperation for something to read I picked up The Girl Who Kicked The Hornets Nest and read it. I was half aware that it was the third of a trilogy but read it anyway. I enjoyed it and then read about the author Stieg Larsson.
I recently read the first and am currently halfway through the second of the three books.
The author seemed to be writing about things he had obviously become aware of in his role as an investigative reporter.
So his "sudden and unexpected death" that I'm aware of seems to have been readily accepted.
I wonder?

Further to my above, I've briefly done the Wikipedia search and all I'll say is if his demise happened now there would be uproar. What he knew and was writing fictional characters based on real life people he might as well had a target taped to his back.

 

[the sniderman]

my favorite one is that @firefighterblue knows anything about everton and the sport.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Whatever happened to the Covid spread by 5G?
Seems to have morphed into the now popular Covid is a hoax and all doctors and nurses are on the take from Bill Gates.

As with all conspiracy theories and theorists, once their waffle gets found out or, simply does not happen as they said it would, they move on to the next one. They never hold their hands up and admit they were wrong, they just pretend they ever said it OR worse still, they just put them together, bill gates and 5g, COVID and vaxx stuff fir example

I don’t believe in trolling people but these people are fair game imo

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Further to my above, I've briefly done the Wikipedia search and all I'll say is if his demise happened now there would be uproar. What he knew and was writing fictional characters based on real life people he might as well had a target taped to his back.

All of his novels were published posthumously - which is amazing in its own right, and v sad that he never got to enjoy that success. But no one knew what he was writing about.

 

[JAYMULL]

Conspiracy theory is the doorway to truth. It is the point you star questioning things. If you have a level of intelligence and look in the right place you soon weed out whether something is possible or whether its complete nonsense. 911 started my curiosity, I don't believe the official story but at the same time have read some ridiculous theories. JFK that's an obvious one. Alien life visiting earth, is a possibility. Epstein is straight forward to me. There are many more but people get freaked out if you start talking about spiritual stuff. Most people believe that we are merely physical beings and any other belief in a spiritual state or a higher spiritual intelligence is bonkers. It's obvious to me.