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tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
That was just a missive designed to be enjoyed by the Kenwrong brigade (though it does contain a lot of truths, albeit well known ones to anyone who has read Toffeeweb ), but some of the calls for "Everton supporters need to start showing some of the passion seen across the park" can quite frankly just do one, they have embarrassed themselves utterly since SoS and their ilk came into being and the last thing we should ever do is to imitate them.
The problem we have is of course that while Kenwrong is as described in Fitz's article, he exists in a sport that is packed full of similar types, saying similar things, many of whom are far worse than he is and who would be correspondingly be far worse for us as a club.
The problem we have is of course that while Kenwrong is as described in Fitz's article, he exists in a sport that is packed full of similar types, saying similar things, many of whom are far worse than he is and who would be correspondingly be far worse for us as a club.
Jamo Martinez
Player Valuation: £70m
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He's spot on to be fair. Kenwright's period at the helm has been an utter disaster structurally speaking. The missed oppoprtunities to place Everton on a firmer footing withoiut recourse to sale of players and reliance on tv cash are legion. The two stand out accusations are that he's failed miserably to deliver a new or refurbished stadium (even to the poiont of actively scuppering KD) and handed control of the fortunes of the club to men in the background who have their own and not Everton's interest paramount.
All the joking about Kenwrong aside, he's been worse than a complete failure - he's actually left Everton in a more vulnerable position than when he took control. History will judge him, and he'll be found wanting in a big, big way.
All the joking about Kenwrong aside, he's been worse than a complete failure - he's actually left Everton in a more vulnerable position than when he took control. History will judge him, and he'll be found wanting in a big, big way.
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what do you suggest Dave ?
that he sells out to some conglomerate of snake oil salesmen, that can just about scrape together the funds to say 'I'm in" and then look to recoup their layout before anything else ?
As for 'showing the passion seen across the park,' is he havin' a feckin' laugh ?
He's no doubt one of these that sat in the pub with them, talking about football quarters and self elevating themselves to the role of 'voice of the peoples club,' when in fact the majority wish they'd go on a cruise with dayouneon in the Bermuda Triangle.
that he sells out to some conglomerate of snake oil salesmen, that can just about scrape together the funds to say 'I'm in" and then look to recoup their layout before anything else ?
As for 'showing the passion seen across the park,' is he havin' a feckin' laugh ?
He's no doubt one of these that sat in the pub with them, talking about football quarters and self elevating themselves to the role of 'voice of the peoples club,' when in fact the majority wish they'd go on a cruise with dayouneon in the Bermuda Triangle.
neonleon
Player Valuation: £35m
*Looks through portal into alternative universe.
Hicks and Gillet have just bought Everton from Paul Gregg. Gregg who made 100 million on his investment despite the club constantly battling relegation and failing to fund purchases. Hicks and Gillet promise a league title in three years. Evertonians everywhere celebrate the wealthy new owners and the end of the evil reign of Paul Gregg.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
My view is simple: he doesn't control the club. He passed control onto others when Gregg became a problem. The only thing he can do is to attempt to persuade those people to look to sell their interests in the club and move on. He's close friends of theirs and wants the best, apparently, for Everton. Kirkby was the vehicle to do that I'm sure: box off the real owners by selling the club on the strength of its new location and 'potential'.
Well, Plan A failed and ther's no plan B as far as I can tell...other than to drift and make do and mend.
I think that was the whole point of the article and it hammered it's point home well. I think where Colin Fitz's analysis maybe falls down is portraying supporters as dummies. My recollection is that Johnson was chased out. He'd have stayed creaming off Everton to pay his Park Foods and Freight business debts until the cows came home. Everton supporters marked his card. They did it in a more dignified way than Kopites, that's for sure. And if things start going badly on the pitch then this crew presently in charge will get the same treatment.
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These 'buyers' that float around rarely seem to come up with the goods though, even somewhere like Notts County where it could've been done on a much lower budget than we need, even that turned to kak.
We all want this knight in shining armour to come riding into town and proclaim himself to be the Heir to the Title 'Prince Rupert of the Brow,' but aside from Chelski and Shiteh they are all businessmen that are more concerned with the profit margins than what we want.
Maybe someday someone will arrive and be overwhelmed by us and fall in love, who knows ? But I certainly don't want a situation that seems to be played out with every takeover, where It's some tycoon that has enough wealth to buy a club but cba so hocks them up for hundreds of millions.
We all want this knight in shining armour to come riding into town and proclaim himself to be the Heir to the Title 'Prince Rupert of the Brow,' but aside from Chelski and Shiteh they are all businessmen that are more concerned with the profit margins than what we want.
Maybe someday someone will arrive and be overwhelmed by us and fall in love, who knows ? But I certainly don't want a situation that seems to be played out with every takeover, where It's some tycoon that has enough wealth to buy a club but cba so hocks them up for hundreds of millions.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
It's grim. We've got people on the board and outside it with more than enough money to take us forward if they were interested, but they're not. And they wont shift themselves until they get a pay-off worth their wait. They'll just sit on this situation and roll with it. Pacifying the natives is the key to that strategy. Midtable is ok for them; winning nothing is ok for them too. They just want to wait and see what happens - another 'enabling scheme' to latch onto when the economy bucks up; the possibility of tv revenues improving as variuous streams and payment structures work their way through. In the meantime there'll be no marquee signings and there'll be more sales.
This is the future according to the prognosis in that article and it's one I agree with.
This is the future according to the prognosis in that article and it's one I agree with.
Say what you will about our favorite kenwronger Davek, but at least he's more or less intellectually honest. The fecklessness of this puerile diatribe makes me wonder if in two or three years keioc-ers are going to add “failed to secure our future by building Kirkby” to the list of Kenwright’s faults, imagined or real. What some of the people around Mr. Fitz were saying about the King’s Dock project when it actually was on the table (that we were being burdened with an overwhelming amount of debt for a “pie in the sky” project – not that I’m saying that they were necessarily wrong) really jibes with their current position. I struggle to recall a lot of enthusiasm for P&A Gregg’s proposed takeover (given Gregg’s later involvement with football, the skepticism was completely justified).
Since this was before my time, can anybody shed more light on these claims:
Of course, the fact that Keioc are dishonest – is this really news - does not make Mr. Kenwright pure as the driven snow (FSF, for instance, is very hard to excuse). In 2-12 weeks time we will have the club’s accounts for the 2009/2010 season and we will have more insight about the state we are in and the prospects for the future, however it may very well be that
Since this was before my time, can anybody shed more light on these claims:
However, Mr. Fitz also represents a certain verbal exchange thus:
Here is the transcript of the verbal exchange in question, taken from the keioc website (underline – mine):
I invite everyone to draw their own conclusions about the truthfulness of Mr. Fitz’s statements. The defence rests, M’lud.
Of course, the fact that Keioc are dishonest – is this really news - does not make Mr. Kenwright pure as the driven snow (FSF, for instance, is very hard to excuse). In 2-12 weeks time we will have the club’s accounts for the 2009/2010 season and we will have more insight about the state we are in and the prospects for the future, however it may very well be that
The reason why I’m defending Kenwright is because I, like everyone else, vicariously run the football club in my head, and without hindsight, there really isn’t a lot that I would have done differently at the time – not to mention that the things I would have done probably would have sent a pitchfork and torch wielding mob of Evertonians to my door. I would also like to point out that the precariousness of our position has very little to do with Bill Kenwright’s management (or lack thereof). Ultimately, I have yet to see any evidence that Kenwright has made any money from his investement in Everton, that he has diverted any available financial resources from squad building (perhaps excluding the “untold many millions of pounds” designated for Kirkby… oh, wait, it was 4 millions of pounds… doesn’t have the same ring, does it, Mr. Fitz?) or that he’s ever turned down a legitimate investor.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Andy M -
Kenwright donated toward the cost of the GFE's McHugh commissioned stury on the feasibility of a Goodison refurb when Johnson's proposal to move to the Municipal golf course was in the planning stages. Of course, for confirmation of that you'd need to contact the people involved in GFE - one is registered on here: Tom Hughes. The NTL deal was purportedly the anchor for spending money not yet in the bank. Kenwright told everyone that the day NTL went bust was the very day they were supposed to hand a cheque over for £30M. Chalk that one up to bad timing or gross ineptitude a not knowing the business terrain...whatever your POV.
In what way are KEIOC 'dishonest'? I dont think your example proves that either way.
As for Kenwright not being to blame for the position we're in - who else is to blame? I accept that other people now call the shots, but he frustrated two major opportunities to take the club forward that he had within his power to see happen: KD and the Gregg takeover. Ego got in the way and now he (and we) are handcuffed.
Kenwright donated toward the cost of the GFE's McHugh commissioned stury on the feasibility of a Goodison refurb when Johnson's proposal to move to the Municipal golf course was in the planning stages. Of course, for confirmation of that you'd need to contact the people involved in GFE - one is registered on here: Tom Hughes. The NTL deal was purportedly the anchor for spending money not yet in the bank. Kenwright told everyone that the day NTL went bust was the very day they were supposed to hand a cheque over for £30M. Chalk that one up to bad timing or gross ineptitude a not knowing the business terrain...whatever your POV.
In what way are KEIOC 'dishonest'? I dont think your example proves that either way.
As for Kenwright not being to blame for the position we're in - who else is to blame? I accept that other people now call the shots, but he frustrated two major opportunities to take the club forward that he had within his power to see happen: KD and the Gregg takeover. Ego got in the way and now he (and we) are handcuffed.
kenada_blue
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Bang on with this davek and ive said it before and where i blame the problem of why bill cant/wont sell....
The board is full of millionaires not willin to put a penny in. People see this and clock...why arent they puttin anything in? Why should i?
Its not a tragic position to be in, and would be dire straights without moyes to be fair, but we wont move on or progress cos we cant
dixie1928
Player Valuation: £1m
Breathtakingly innaccurate in almost every respect. Everything to do with Everton over the last 10 years is to do with Kenwright - the chap with whom the buck stops. E.G., Kings Dock ... was he acting as the purest of creatures there? Fortress Fund ... was poor, shy little Bill taken advantage of? Either you work for the club or you are immensely gullible.
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