Chris Foy - Evertonian

Tubey · January 10, 2012

I am absolutely bewildered how anyone can see this as anything other than a red card. It was a horrifying tackle, the fact he got the ball makes no difference at all. A fraction of a second off time and he snaps Nani's shin in two.

As has been said already, he had no reason to leave the ground like that. A slide tackle involves a "slide", key is in the name! You're supposed to slide along the floor with one of your legs extended to make contact with the ball. Kompany leapt in two footed.

The appeal should be deemed frivolous as well.

somuchfun · January 10, 2012

Aye it's the only right decision to card him out for that tackle. Why are people even discussing this?

SAFC lad · January 10, 2012

it's a shame that those sorts of tackles are widely regarded as red card-worthy in football today. If I made that tackle on a sunday I would be over the nut, it was a class tackle.

Pblueman · January 10, 2012

Can see both sides of the argument here, it was a two footed challenge, as for off the floor only just, but he DID take the ball first which qualifies it as a tackle. i think as has been mentioned here the ref has to make a split second decision and he saw a red card offense. with the hindsight of multiple replays my take was it was a slighty dangerous tackle worthy of a free kick and a word from the referee to tell the player "that was close, watch yourself"

Tubey · January 10, 2012

Pblueman said:
Can see both sides of the argument here, it was a two footed challenge, as for off the floor only just, but he DID take the ball first which qualifies it as a tackle. i think as has been mentioned here the ref has to make a split second decision and he saw a red card offense. with the hindsight of multiple replays my take was it was a slighty dangerous tackle worthy of a free kick and a word from the referee to tell the player "that was close, watch yourself"

The fact he got the ball means nothing. It's like a boxers job is to knock the guy out, so by that logic if he does it with a baseball bat then its fine because he got the desired end result!

It does not matter at all whether he got the ball and missed the player - once he went in, off the floor, lunging, two footed, is a definite red card every day of the week.

Brennan · January 10, 2012

Tubey said:
The fact he got the ball means nothing. It's like a boxers job is to knock the guy out, so by that logic if he does it with a baseball bat then its fine because he got the desired end result!

It does not matter at all whether he got the ball and missed the player - once he went in, off the floor, lunging, two footed, is a definite red card every day of the week.

Was going to say something like that, it involved a shotgun though and wasn't nearly as concise.

ToffeeDan · January 10, 2012

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bluenorthwarrior · January 10, 2012

In the past the argument used to be whether the red was harsh and should have been a yellow. But now we are seeing challenges where the argument is about whether the challenge was even a foul, not just the ref being harsh on a heavy foul (e.g. Rodwell - clearly never a red, but you could make an argument on paper that it was, Kompany etc).

The current rules leave so little flexibility for the refs that we will see more of these reds where really there is no contact or real danger (note Nani reaction - nothing).

Ultimately ruins football matches - 50000 fans at average Â£40 each on Sunday = Â£2,000,000 spent for entertainment that was potentially ruined by needless red after 12 mins. (I know the game was actually pretty good which weakens the argument, maybe the derby is a better example of a ruined and expensive waste for many).

Azzurri · January 10, 2012

bluenorthwarrior said:
In the past the argument used to be whether the red was harsh and should have been a yellow. But now we are seeing challenges where the argument is about whether the challenge was even a foul, not just the ref being harsh on a heavy foul (e.g. Rodwell - clearly never a red, but you could make an argument on paper that it was, Kompany etc).

The current rules leave so little flexibility for the refs that we will see more of these reds where really there is no contact or real danger (note Nani reaction - nothing).

Ultimately ruins football matches - 50000 fans at average Â£40 each on Sunday = Â£2,000,000 spent for entertainment that was potentially ruined by needless red after 12 mins. (I know the game was actually pretty good which weakens the argument, maybe the derby is a better example of a ruined and expensive waste for many).

Is the correct answer.

In my opinion the refs generally get it right as it's their job to apply the letter of the law. But the law's wrong.

Tubey · January 10, 2012

Roswell was a one legged slide challenge which is committed but fair. Kompany was a two footed off the floor lunge. The two are not comparable.

And the law is correct, for that matter. I'm not saying make it a non contact sport, but the players need protection from reckless leg breaking tackles the same way we have employment laws to protect us at work.

Azzurri · January 10, 2012

Tubey said:
Roswell was a one legged slide challenge which is committed but fair. Kompany was a two footed off the floor lunge. The two are not comparable.

And the law is correct, for that matter. I'm not saying make it a non contact sport, but the players need protection from reckless leg breaking tackles the same way we have employment laws to protect us at work.

It's very rare that serious injuries come from impact tackles. Obviously Roy Keane on Haalland's a different story but that's even a red in 1975. If Kompany had made contact with Nani there would have been absolutely no damage as it would have been shin pad to shin pad. He got the ball by going low and didn't touch Nani. Not even a foul for me.

kenada_blue · January 10, 2012

Azzurri said:
Is the correct answer.

In my opinion the refs generally get it right as it's their job to apply the letter of the law. But the law's wrong.

But why do players keep doing it if they're not supposed to?

To busy questioning the law rather than the reasons to put in two footed tackles. If it was a tackle that was perfectly fine, why dont players do it all the time?

Azzurri · January 10, 2012

kenada_blue said:
But why do players keep doing it if they're not supposed to?

To busy questioning the law rather than the reasons to put in two footed tackles. If it was a tackle that was perfectly fine, why dont players do it all the time?

I agree.

As I said, I think the rules are wrong, but as with most rules in life once they're there you've got to obey them.

It was a perfectly good tackle if you ask me, but Kompany was stupid for doing it.

ODM · January 10, 2012

Does anyone remember the Kevin Nolan (or Davies?) tackle on Anichebe a few years back? That was a red card every day of the week, the only thing that saved whichever Kevin was the fact that Anichebe has a freakishly thick bone structure apparently. I mean the guy pretty much lunged in two feet off the floor, landed with all studs against Big Vic's shins. That's what happens when people are allowed to go in like Kompany and the other person involved doesn't back out, which they in no way should be forced to do.
The tackle, even if not intended to force a leg break, is so brutish that it forces the other person to pull out for their safety. That, in my book, is a tackle that should never be allowed to happen. I'm all for leg clattering sliding tackles, but this lunging is the mark of lesser footballers who try to intimidate other players from playing.

kenada_blue · January 10, 2012

ODM said:
Does anyone remember the Kevin Nolan (or Davies?) tackle on Anichebe a few years back? That was a red card every day of the week, the only thing that saved whichever Kevin was the fact that Anichebe has a freakishly thick bone structure apparently. I mean the guy pretty much lunged in two feet off the floor, landed with all studs against Big Vic's shins. That's what happens when people are allowed to go in like Kompany and the other person involved doesn't back out, which they in no way should be forced to do.
The tackle, even if not intended to force a leg break, is so brutish that it forces the other person to pull out for their safety. That, in my book, is a tackle that should never be allowed to happen. I'm all for leg clattering sliding tackles, but this lunging is the mark of lesser footballers who try to intimidate other players from playing.

exactly. Its done to leave a mark. A ****house challenge you'll note that your terrys etc have all done it. Anyone remember Jags doing one? No? Why?