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Verbal Kint
Player Valuation: £35m
I have my doubts Moyes fancies him. Either that or he's not committed to the transfer fee. No reason for him not to start till end of season now.
Blue peter
Player Valuation: £35m
I think people who are heavily criticising Moyes are conflating Moyes rating Doucoure with the ball, with Moyes rating Doucoure’s effectiveness for the team off the ball e.g. the energy he brings, the hard work. He’s almost a foil when we have the ball pushing forward because of that energy.
Interestingly, the club is yet to offer Doucoure a new contract (they may well do in reduced terms) but equally, he’s not starting Alacarez regularly enough. Cast your mind back to when Moyes spoke in January, he was underwhelmed by the transfer business conducted and said that whoever came in may help but the quality required, wasn’t available that month. That was a strong indicator that whoever came in January wasn’t necessarily going to be here long term if on loan.
Finally, as someone else here as posted, if he’s unlikely to be a regular 1st team starter spending £15m only makes sense if we have a lot of money to spend. I suspect Moyes knows his budget now so may be there’s a better use of that £15m elsewhere. Finally, for all we know, it may be a negotiating tactic in that Moyes may want him, but doesn’t want to be obligated that price and wants to buy at a reduce fee for someone likely to be a squad player.
Interestingly, the club is yet to offer Doucoure a new contract (they may well do in reduced terms) but equally, he’s not starting Alacarez regularly enough. Cast your mind back to when Moyes spoke in January, he was underwhelmed by the transfer business conducted and said that whoever came in may help but the quality required, wasn’t available that month. That was a strong indicator that whoever came in January wasn’t necessarily going to be here long term if on loan.
Finally, as someone else here as posted, if he’s unlikely to be a regular 1st team starter spending £15m only makes sense if we have a lot of money to spend. I suspect Moyes knows his budget now so may be there’s a better use of that £15m elsewhere. Finally, for all we know, it may be a negotiating tactic in that Moyes may want him, but doesn’t want to be obligated that price and wants to buy at a reduce fee for someone likely to be a squad player.
preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £5m
The buy option we have is for €15m, so more like £12.5m.
I would compare it to to us signing Garner as an example. Is he going to blossom into a world class player that we can triple or quadruple our money on? No, he probably isn't. But there's enough there that i can see him being a contributing member of the squad that may occasionally chip in with a crucial goal or assist to win us a game.
If we do manage to get him for less than that then I'll tip my hat to Moyes as he will have played a blinder. For me personally though 12.5m is a no brainer especially with the amount of work we have to do in the window.
Blue peter
Player Valuation: £35m
Well, there must be something he is not seeing, or something he is seeing which he does not like. We may be in for him or we may not be. If not, he clearly doesn’t think he’s the right fit for us. Alcaraz is with his fifth club since 2020 in being with us (permanents and loans) so there must be something that his previous clubs are not liking either. All speculation of course at this stage.
Just one final thought from me, if we think the €15m is a no brainer for an Argentina u23 international the question we possibly should be asking is why so cheap? South American clubs don’t necessarily sell as expensively as European clubs but 15m does seem really low. I’m not impugning the lads ability, just trying to consider why Moyes doesn’t seem so keen.
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
I dont think he has done enough to say we must sign him, i think he is probably at the level we are at and i would guess Moyes wants someone a level above.
If he cant remove Doucoure from the starting line up then its a big question mark, we know Doucoure is in the team more for his energy than anything else but Moyes obviously values that more than any ability on the ball.
I think what im trying to say is Moyes thinks the pros and cons of Doucoure outweigh the pros and cons of Alcaraz, given how poor Doucoure is at times i think it speaks more about Alcaraz's actual ability.
I'll trust Moyes's judgement on him.
preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £5m
Yeah I think it's completely fair enough to ask that question, his transfer history is odd at first glance. As a fan I like what I see on the pitch so would like us to sign him, but fully aware that we don't really get the full picture compared to Moyes.
Regardless of what happens with Charly though I wish people would stop with the 'Doucs is a necessary evil' shouts. Reminds me of the nonsense people would spout to justify Dyche being here.
Even if we don't want to sign alcaraz I would rather see McNeil, Tim or Ndiaye be given a crack at playing the 10 before the end of the season.
….posters making excuses for him when playing the Ndiaye role suggest he can only play as a no10 but Moyes mightn’t want a conventional no10 next season so pointless acquiring him if that’s the limit of his versatility.
I don’t think anyone thinks he’s actually necessary, we’re just explaining to you what he’s in the team to do, because you asked us to. Understanding why Moyes picks him and saying you would pick him yourself are not the same thing.
preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £5m
Tbf you were very clear that you were sharing what you believe Moyes feels he can rely on Doucoure for, rather than your own personal endorsement.
There are a few posters on here that have been quite plain in saying that Doucoure in their own opinion is integral to how we play, and that taking him out of the team would see us lose control of games and concede more goals. Personally I don't believe that at all.
Fwiw, I'm a fan, not a manager. Not oblivious to the fact that Moyes has a vastly superior knowledge of our players and football than I do. With that said, when I hear about how important Doucoure's pressing is to us as a team I honestly just don't see it myself. He's got an engine, covers a lot of ground but he's not smart with how he presses. He gets people caught in a trap with his running but then opens the door for them to get out of it by positioning himself poorly and failing to block the right angles. Very rarely does he actually win back possession with his pressing.
OzarkBlue
Player Valuation: £500k
Let's see if Keane plays this week first.
SiEdmo
Player Valuation: £10m
people probably said this but although 12.5m odd seems a no brainer, we dont need loads of players in that position, and maybe we have a number 1 target in that position who may be a bit more money but if we get alcaraz we wont have the money for, that german lad or whatever that was rumoured,
probably more so something like that than moyes not fancying him, just keeping options open
probably more so something like that than moyes not fancying him, just keeping options open
I agree with you there mate.
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