evertonarntwe
Player Valuation: £35m
ok so 2 games in 1 and half years he's had an impact in when he's started
would you then not agree he's better coming from the bench?
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ok so 2 games in 1 and half years he's had an impact in when he's started
would you then not agree he's better coming from the bench?
AsiaAsia82
Player Valuation: £35m
Tosun will have scored 10-15 by January based on the new attacking formation and team members, with rotation with DCL and Niasse, we should be able to assess if we can find and afford a next level striker to replace one of them.
Hopefully anyway...
Hopefully anyway...
MarkK1988
Player Valuation: £8m
was talking about last season rainman, hence cant really compare his goals record to other strikers this season since its 1 game in......
everton1953
Player Valuation: £40m
He is our first choice and will doubtless be judged on his goal output. That is likely to be around the 10 or 12 mark if he gets the games. After Lukaku left we no longer have or are likely to have a prolific goal scorer. That sort belongs in the top club group of 5 or 6 which we are clearly not. There are no out and out goalscorers coming up through the ranks, otherwise we would have heard by now. I don't know how much it would have taken to prise Vardy away from Leicester, even if he wanted to come which is unlikely. That chance if there ever was one has passed.
I don't recall disagreeing with that. I'm just saying I agree with Papa Shango that people try to make out like he's worse than he is for some reason.
Take this post for example, you've decided to use a timescale to make his stats sound worse. It doesn't matter whether it's been spread over 6 weeks or 5 years, he can only impact games from the start if he starts them, so the only relevant stat is that he's started 12 games. You're also saying he can only have 'had an impact' if he scores and we win, despite your point supposedly being that just scoring isn't enough and he needs to contribute more. You're trying to move the goalposts because you want to show him up as being rubbish, it's weird.
Niasse isn't a classically good footballer, but he's effective. Tosun is a better 'footballer' but lacks some of the things which make Niasse as effective as he is. In an ideal world we'd have someone who combined the best bits of both of them (maybe DCL could develop into this) but for now we can try to utilise the 2 of them at the right times to get us where we want to be.
evertonarntwe
Player Valuation: £35m
oh well done mate im glad you told me
hence why I said llorente only started 2/3 games, were only 1 game THIS SEASON in so obviously I don't mean this season you plant pot
and Zlatan played half a dozen games, hard to do when he doesn't play for united this season
evertonarntwe
Player Valuation: £35m
well no, because as many people point out one of Niasse best qualities ( if not only ) is finishing, so if he doesn't score in a game what does he offer?
even when he was at hull, didn't his best moments come from the bench? im sure his goal against the RS come from a sub
I don't dislike the feller at all, I just don't think he has the required ability to START games, his best moments in English footy has come from the bench, I don't think that's hard to see
which goes back to my original comments were I said Cenk was our best striker and if were going to keep one it certainly would be niasse ( as someone said )
MarkK1988
Player Valuation: £8m
Llorente played 16 scored 1
Solanke played 21 scored 1
oumar Niasse played 22 scored 8
id argue hes better than at least two teams above us options
add in chelsea spent 30 on giroud and arsenal spent 55 on lacazette a 13 million pound signing behind them is hardly surprising
i dont think hes a world beater, i think hes good enough as an option from the bench from us. maybe start cup games etc
evertonarntwe
Player Valuation: £35m
agreed, that's the exact thing I've said from my very first post
so we can agree then
MarkK1988
Player Valuation: £8m
you said no top 6 team would have him thats the point i was disagreeing with, i think most teams in the prem could do a lot worse than have him as a second choice striker
Niasse should never start a game.
Spurs would definitely have him as folly to Kane, over Llorente and Jansen, let's put it that way.
evertonarntwe
Player Valuation: £35m
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
The problem you have though mate, is that most strikers of a set ability won't be happy to come and sit on our bench. There is also a question as to whether that player could make an impact from the bench. That is a unique skill to have. Lukaku for example didn't have this ability. Looking at Vardy at the world cup I doubt he has that ability either.
For the next 12 months Niasse remains a very good bench option for us.
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