Celtic Player Banned For Racism

[Harryflashman]

Alek Tonev the Celtic player , on loan from Aston Villa , has been banned for 7 games for racially abusing an Aberdeen player. The clubs response is to this is to say they abhor racism of any description of any sort but accept he didn't say it .

Given the apparent delight of some at the difficulties Rangers have found themselves in I wonder what posters thoughts are of the Celtic vaguely RS reaction ? Despite the club abhoring racism it didn't stop them buying Leigh Griffiths who'd tweeted that someone should get back to their own country , his then club Wolves reaction firmly contrasts to that of the club that bought him after this incident . Coincidently Griffiths is currently on bail for alleged racist chanting whilst at Celtic , prior to his former clubs cup tie.

Surely a player like Tonev 'convicted' of racism should be firmly dealt with by his club ? Certainly for a club that trumpets it's 'socialist ' principles . For me sadly it smacks of when Busquets was accused of abusing Marcelo and the much vaunted principles quickly disappear .

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/30/celtic-aleksandar-tonev-seven-match-ban-racism

Strange they'd stick their neck out for a loanee like this unless they actually believed his story

They could just ship him back to Aston Villa and wipe their hands of it all

Maybe they will when January comes along?

 

[Harryflashman]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/30/celtic-aleksandar-tonev-seven-match-ban-racism

Strange they'd stick their neck out for a loanee like this unless they actually believed his story

They could just ship him back to Aston Villa and wipe their hands of it all

Maybe they will when January comes along?

Lennon apparently said the club would sack anybody convicted of racism but perhaps he should have added the caveat of "if we think they've done it" . In fairness though he did buy Griffiths after he'd sent that tweet so perhaps he wasn't being totally transparent .

Out of interest is three first team players on bail for separate offences a record ?

I'm not particularly trying to have a Pop at Celtic by the way but Rangers regularly get hammered here and I think this allows a little bit of balance .

 

[Khalekan]

Maybe Celtic are right.

Maybe the boy didn't say what he is supposed to have said.

In football courts, as in Crown Courts and High Courts, plenty of people have been convicted of things they were innocent off.

What did this guy say which prompted the case in the first place?

Does anyone know?

 

[Harryflashman]

Maybe Celtic are right.

Maybe the boy didn't say what he is supposed to have said.

In football courts, as in Crown Courts and High Courts, plenty of people have been convicted of things they were innocent off.

What did this guy say which prompted the case in the first place?

Does anyone know?

I can see where you're coming from but did you feel the same about Suarez ? That the RS where right to defend him ? If you're the member of a 'club' which teams are then you really have to abide by the rules. Football clubs have a duty to be aware of the image they represent , let's not kid ourselves thats a vitally important part of their internal disciplinary process. I was significantly more uncomfortable with the Terry ban . Not because I don't think he did it but because I'm not particularly happy with a decision by a law court being second guessed , two bites of the cherry almost .

As for what he said from reports I've read it was almost identical to the Terry allegation.

 

[teppic]

Urghhh Celtic. Made up Hamilton are pulling their pants down. And just for balance, Rangers are whoppers too.

 

[Harryflashman]

Urghhh Celtic. Made up Hamilton are pulling their pants down. And just for balance, Rangers are whoppers too.

Not that my opinion matters But I don't mind that at all . However in this forum it does seem we've had Rangers hammered whilst celtic have escaped much deserved criticism .

 

[teppic]

Not that my opinion matters But I don't mind that at all . However in this forum it does seem we've had Rangers hammered whilst celtic have escaped much deserved criticism .

Really? I've never noticed that. Most on here think both clubs are pathetic.

 

[Khalekan]

I can see where you're coming from but did you feel the same about Suarez ? That the RS where right to defend him ? If you're the member of a 'club' which teams are then you really have to abide by the rules. Football clubs have a duty to be aware of the image they represent , let's not kid ourselves thats a vitally important part of their internal disciplinary process. I was significantly more uncomfortable with the Terry ban . Not because I don't think he did it but because I'm not particularly happy with a decision by a law court being second guessed , two bites of the cherry almost .

As for what he said from reports I've read it was almost identical to the Terry allegation.

Funnily enough, I always felt the Suarez thing was overdone.

But the cases are not similar.

Suarez admitted to saying what he said and then went on to try and talk his way out of it.....the RS backed a bloke who pleaded "guilty" as it were.

Celtic on the other hand are standing by a guy who categorically denies saying owt of that nature.

They have accepted the punishment....but say they still believe their man was innocent.

Nowt wrong with saying that....you just can't abandon someone you think is innocent simply because a kangaroo court says otherwise.

The Birmingham Six would still be rotting in gaol if everyone took that attitude.

Our own Duncan Ferguson fell prey to the vindictiveness of the SFA when they insisted he be prosecuted despite Scottish Plod and the bloke he smacked, Willie McStay, wanting the matter dropped.

But Big Dunc went to jail and I for one welcomed him back with open arms.

I don't know enough about this specific case to pass comment on it but what I do know is that the football authorities seem to go out of their way to be seen to be punishing players for what often appear to be trivial things.

Rio Ferdinand was banned for three games yesterday for some daft tweet with allegedly sexist overtones (I think).

Yet that Scudamore bloke escaped scot free for his misdemeanour with the email about the birds in the typing pool.

Meanwhile in the real world, peaceable Everton fans can be attacked willy nilly in French pubs and be tear gassed by Plod without the football authorities taking a blind bit of notice.

At the end if the day this seems a pretty mundane issue and I don't know why you are getting so exercised over it.

 

[teppic]

Funnily enough, I always felt the Suarez thing was overdone.

But the cases are not similar.

Suarez admitted to saying what he said and then went on to try and talk his way out of it.....the RS backed a bloke who pleaded "guilty" as it were.

Celtic on the other hand are standing by a guy who categorically denies saying owt of that nature.

They have accepted the punishment....but say they still believe their man was innocent.

Nowt wrong with saying that....you just can't abandon someone you think is innocent simply because a kangaroo court says otherwise.

The Birmingham Six would still be rotting in gaol if everyone took that attitude.

Our own Duncan Ferguson fell prey to the vindictiveness of the SFA when they insisted he be prosecuted despite Scottish Plod and the bloke he smacked, Willie McStay, wanting the matter dropped.

But Big Dunc went to jail and I for one welcomed him back with open arms.

I don't know enough about this specific case to pass comment on it but what I do know is that the football authorities seem to go out of their way to be seen to be punishing players for what often appear to be trivial things.

Rio Ferdinand was banned for three games yesterday for some daft tweet with allegedly sexist overtones (I think).

Yet that Scudamore bloke escaped scot free for his misdemeanour with the email about the birds in the typing pool.

Meanwhile in the real world, peaceable Everton fans can be attacked willy nilly in French pubs and be tear gassed by Plod without the football authorities taking a blind bit of notice.

At the end if the day this seems a pretty mundane issue and I don't know why you are getting so exercised over it.

Racism isn't mundane mate.

 

[blue4eva77]

What has he supposedly of said?

 

[Harryflashman]

Funnily enough, I always felt the Suarez thing was overdone.

But the cases are not similar.

Suarez admitted to saying what he said and then went on to try and talk his way out of it.....the RS backed a bloke who pleaded "guilty" as it were.

Celtic on the other hand are standing by a guy who categorically denies saying owt of that nature.

They have accepted the punishment....but say they still believe their man was innocent.

Nowt wrong with saying that....you just can't abandon someone you think is innocent simply because a kangaroo court says otherwise.

The Birmingham Six would still be rotting in gaol if everyone took that attitude.

Our own Duncan Ferguson fell prey to the vindictiveness of the SFA when they insisted he be prosecuted despite Scottish Plod and the bloke he smacked, Willie McStay, wanting the matter dropped.

But Big Dunc went to jail and I for one welcomed him back with open arms.

I don't know enough about this specific case to pass comment on it but what I do know is that the football authorities seem to go out of their way to be seen to be punishing players for what often appear to be trivial things.

Rio Ferdinand was banned for three games yesterday for some daft tweet with allegedly sexist overtones (I think).

Yet that Scudamore bloke escaped scot free for his misdemeanour with the email about the birds in the typing pool.

Meanwhile in the real world, peaceable Everton fans can be attacked willy nilly in French pubs and be tear gassed by Plod without the football authorities taking a blind bit of notice.

At the end if the day this seems a pretty mundane issue and I don't know why you are getting so exercised over it.

I'm not particularly exercised mate I posted a thread I can assure you it's of almost no concern to me other than that and that it deals with racism which is clearly completely unacceptable in anyone world surely ? I do also find in the case of Celtic and actually Barca clubs who themselves hold themselves up as 'more than a club' fighting against tyranny (if you will ) that when somebody behaves in a way that rails against the core values they so often portray haven't they got a duty to give them more than lip service ?

There aren't too many clubs that present themselves as part of a political struggle . I can't think of any in England , it certainly wouldn't apply to the RS over Suarez despite their completely justified Hillsborough campaign . So when you are a 'politically active' club surely you have an even stronger duty to react to allegations , proven allegations of racism ?

I note your Birmingham Six comparison not to make light Of it but are you suggesting Tonev had a confession beaten out of him ? To be fair thats a poor attempt at humour as for Duncan his imprisonment was outrageous but it could certainly be argued that he did commit an on field disciplinary offence couldn't it ? The lad was treated in a completely disgraceful manner by the judicial system and had no support from the SFA but ultimately it could be argued he wasn't 'innocent ' in terms of a footballing ban. Although how it ever came to court never mind prison is something I can't get my head round at all .

My point being that Tonev has been convicted of racism and a club whose previous manager , who left a matter of months ago , said anyone convicted of racism would be sacked have responded by saying "he didn't do it" . That's a story worthy of debate surely ? We have footy , banning , apparently two facedness and racism everything you need for a lengthy discussion surely ?

The Ferdinand tweet ban ridiculous in my opinion . The everton fans treatement outrageous although not a massive surprise having had some fairly rough treatement overseas or alternatively indifference to home fans behaviour whilst watching Everton . the difference being the sheer numbers i'd say , however because that's terrible can I not speak about anything else ? If that's the case let me know when I can discuss stuff other than Lille and I'll crack on. I certainly hope the club , with the support of local politicians can do something about it although personally I wouldn't hold my breath sadly . Football fans are pretty much the only section of society you can happily treat like dirt these days without a single issue . If that had been students , protestors , rugby fans or any other group you like there would have been questions in Parliament . However it wasn't so we all just move along .

 

[Harryflashman]

What has he supposedly of said?

Pretty much the same as the Terry allegation , reference to his ethnicity using a colour and an abusive word . Or so it seems from teports .

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Really? I've never noticed that. Most on here think both clubs are pathetic.

This

Mon The Hibees!

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

The Old Firm duopoly is the worst thing that ever happened to the Scottish game