Can We Really Moan?

[TheFinnFan]

Let's get to seasons end and see where we are. I can't help but feel that we're going to do something crazy like win the FA Cup.

im having this same thingy with europe

 

[L4Everton]

We are Evertonians, if there is one thing we can really do, it's Really Moan.

 

[Kurt.]

yes, we can really moan, I've seen nothing else but for the last two months.

No better sight or sound than a moaning, spurting Lesbian.

 

[Titus Bramble]

We can, yes.

 

[Brad McEachern]

Regarding Tim Howard and what he said. I like the guy a lot, but he was out of line about what he said regarding the fans and booing. Fans pay very good money to see a sporting event (doesn't matter what type of game) and as such there allowed to do and say whatever they want as long as there not breaking any rules.

If a paying customer doesn't like the product, then they have a right to voice their disapproval to the company because their product doesn't meet the expectations of the consumer. The same goes in sports, if you pay to get into a match to see your club and if there not playing up to the expectations of the fans or is just giving an incredible lackluster effort, then there allowed to boo because booing is the only way that your opinion can be heard by the players. I doubt Tim Howard and co reads the fanzines or message boards, so the only way to get your opinion heard is voicing them at the matches.

Some in the sports world think it's a classless move by fans to boo it's own players, I feel the exact opposite. Even though as Evertonians we love our club and we'll always back it, were not automatons or bots who believe in everything their club does or says hook, line and sinker like the muppets over at RAWK do. If we feel like the club isn't preforming up to the expectations then were going to say something about it. That doesn't make us or fans in general bad fans, it's just that we won't tolerate a lackluster effort by the team and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

If Tim doesn't want the fans to boo: Play better and give a better effort on the pitch, it's as simple as at. You don't want the fans to boo? Then don't lose to a godawful Newcastle team 3-1, don't get pushed around by Stoke, don't get battered by a beat up Southampton side and don't blow a two goal lead against Arsenal with less then ten minutes to go. Play to the level of your capabilities and there won't be a problem.

 

[Caolam]

It is the job of the players and management to win football matches. If they fail to do their job and the worst thing that happens is they get booed they are very lucky. If I failed to do my job for 4 weeks I would be sacked.
They all need to stop complaining about the fans and sort themselves out.

 

[4737carlin]

The problem is by booing and shouting abuse we have become the 12th man for the team we are playing, yeah i no its frustrating watching utter dross but were making it even harder for them to sort themselves out and easier for the visitors. The pressure should be on the team we are playing, not the team were supposedly supporting.

This is the issue i have had with Tim Howard, yes i can see he has been flapping around as much as anyone but when you get idiots just shouting mindless abuse from the Park End at him they are doing more harm to Everton than good.

 

[vagant59]

McGeady aint even worth that mate.

even Paddy Power were takin' it out of him yesterday... "McGeady comes off, grabs a tracky top but shows too much of it to Martinez who takes it off him."

There are allot of MacGeady critics on this forum, However we had not scored the previous 2 matches and he was only on the pitch 5mins and bingo the ball is in the net. I agree he does lose possession but that is all part of the way he plays as an attacking wide player. When he is on the pitch Seamus is a much better player. ALSO MacGeady has not had a decent run of games so will not be quite up to speed. The lad needs a run of games in a settled side and then we can judge him. Allot on here slated Kone and he had done nothing wrong, There still wiping the EGG of there faces

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

There are allot of MacGeady critics on this forum, However we had not scored the previous 2 matches and he was only on the pitch 5mins and bingo the ball is in the net. I agree he does lose possession but that is all part of the way he plays as an attacking wide player. When he is on the pitch Seamus is a much better player. ALSO MacGeady has not had a decent run of games so will not be quite up to speed. The lad needs a run of games in a settled side and then we can judge him. Allot on here slated Kone and he had done nothing wrong, There still wiping the EGG of there faces

Kone- Criticism was that he'd been missing for so long.

McGeady - He's rubbish, he's been given chances & at first it was that supposedly cos he hadn't played for few months & was out of shape, then when he got 'up & running' he still wasn't any better, he couldn't stop himself from 'walking the dog' if he had a clear unchallenged run on an open goal and there's an 80% chance he'd trip over the ball. He might be able to pull that shiz off in the SPL and a poor Russian League but here you can't keep trying to pull that stuff off when it goes wrong every time. Phil Neville has a better Stepover Completion Rate than him.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

They're btw.

 

[TX Bill]

Even if they're calling for his head, that comment is still a shocker.

Match going fans have a right to their opinion and some want him gone, that's an undeniable fact. To label these Blues as destabilising militants simply because you don't concur with their view is arrogance personified

Problem is those same fans were happy clapping his results and his accomplishments last season...

...and all of a sudden, he's crap??? I admit he needs to make adjustments but to sack him at this point would be irresponsible.

Everton don't do managers like Palace, WBA, etc.... Changing managers every time the wind doesn't blow their way. And that gets them where? Nowhere.

I think Martinez has more than earned time to get through this slump, dip in form, confidence crisis, whatever one would want to call it.

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

Personally, i'd be happy with a Top 6 Finish now, and an FA cup win. Or the Europa League. Or we could go on a 19 game win streak.... HAHAHAHAHA- We're Roberto's Blue Army

 

[vagant59]

Kone- Criticism was that he'd been missing for so long.

McGeady - He's rubbish, he's been given chances & at first it was that supposedly cos he hadn't played for few months & was out of shape, then when he got 'up & running' he still wasn't any better, he couldn't stop himself from 'walking the dog' if he had a clear unchallenged run on an open goal and there's an 80% chance he'd trip over the ball. He might be able to pull that shiz off in the SPL and a poor Russian League but here you can't keep trying to pull that stuff off when it goes wrong every time. Phil Neville has a better Stepover Completion Rate than him.

You must be one of those still wiping of the egg.

 

[TGW89]

we've still only dropped as low as 12th. There's not going to be a stampede to see Martinez down the road

I don't wish to alarm you, but I think most of us would take 12th right now.

Yes we've been mathematically worse and in 1998, we toed the line big time, but today we are actually faced with a much worse situation for three stark reasons.

LEADERS:

In 1998: Dave Watson was our leader always put a sodding shift in (as much as older legs would allow) and fired the players up

Now: No leaders, no reliability at the back. When Coventry were throwing the kitchen sink at us with ten minutes of the 1997/98 season to go, sure it was nerve wracking but the security was there as that back four, though obviously not the most skilled, worked like men possessed! We were once able to hang tough if need be, we don't even have that now. Alright we did throw away points under Moyes, but Berto has taken that to another level. I can't remember conceding so many points after first blood - it's disgraceful!

TOMATO CANS:

In 1998: There were actually much worse footballing teams. Think Barnsley, Swindon, Bradford, Watford, 90s Palace. They were all relegation fodder and were luckily just as bad as us at seeing games out. I'd say only Bolton were very unlucky as they did ok-ish in 97/98 - had that goal in September 1997 stood we'd have been relegated in their stead anyway.

Now: We have "favourites" for relegation but they are fitter and more spirited AND look more likely to see out games. Right now, this squad we have reminds me (disturbingly) of an aging, listless, and ultimately relegated, Fulham last season.

SHYT OR BUST:

In 1998: The Premier League was still not yet 10 years old, and though the promised effects were by now beginning to show, it was not the shameless, poorly-officiated, hyped up gravy train it is today. Relegation would have been a huge setback, no Rooney for sure and debts mounting and it would have taken at least two years to bounce back compared to....

Now: TV money is the dictating factor in our quality of existence post relegation - or lack thereof! Just think of the loss in revenue and the players being sold at cut price because they can't get away quick enough! Relegation in May 2015 will be the death of Everton Football Club!

Furthermore, there is absolutely no end in sight for the horrendous quality of play in the league. So yes we can moan and I will say it again: Lose at Hull, sack Roberto.

It is that simple, because no manager should take 0 points from the last 4 fixtures and keep his job.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Problem is those same fans were happy clapping his results and his accomplishments last season...

...and all of a sudden, he's crap??? I admit he needs to make adjustments but to sack him at this point would be irresponsible.

Everton don't do managers like Palace, WBA, etc.... Changing managers every time the wind doesn't blow their way. And that gets them where? Nowhere.

I think Martinez has more than earned time to get through this slump, dip in form, confidence crisis, whatever one would want to call it.

That's your opinion (and one I share btw), however I was merely defending the right of those who think change is necessary now to air their view, without being labelled as destabilishing militants.