Boxing

[Harryflashman]

his two year absence is being massively underrated as well, lots of things come back to you, but that timing and little 1 % extras can allude you forever once you take that time off

That’s a big worry for me and his lifestyle can’t have helped , I think we can be pretty sure he’s not a mayweather keeping himself ticking over in the gym whilst out the ring .

To many Fury , like an injured player he’s got better whilst he’s out , but many others can’t give him credit for a superb display against Wlad who were supposed to believe is the only aging fighter to improve after an 18 month break himself .

Like pretty much everything on the internet the truth is somewhere in the middle .

 

[havrey0123]

I dont get it. People get banned for taking substances that are found in everyday medicines like ashtma inhalers ETC.
Tyson fury takes cocaine (the worst possible drug you can take) and he is back in the ring within 3 years with everyone looking forward to seeing him. Its as if he is such a nutter that everyone has forgiven him, as they probably expected him to do it.

 

[havrey0123]

his two year absence is being massively underrated as well, lots of things come back to you, but that timing and little 1 % extras can allude you forever once you take that time off

THIS
Just ask Mayweather

 

[Harryflashman]

THIS
Just ask Mayweather

Two ways of looking at that really as mayweather lived right and kept himself in shape including boxing shape in the gym whilst Fury did neither . What Fury does have in his favour that mayweather didn’t his age , I don’t think he’s even 2 yrs older than Joshua .

 

[Walken]

That’s a big worry for me and his lifestyle can’t have helped , I think we can be pretty sure he’s not a mayweather keeping himself ticking over in the gym whilst out the ring .

To many Fury , like an injured player he’s got better whilst he’s out , but many others can’t give him credit for a superb display against Wlad who were supposed to believe is the only aging fighter to improve after an 18 month break himself .

Like pretty much everything on the internet the truth is somewhere in the middle .

A couple of wins and he fights AJ and makes a stack of cash anyway, fury seems to have that natural sparring fitness some lads have regardless of athletic ability, a bit like tony bellew has it, but yeah he hasn't lived well, and I will be very interested to watch his timing in his first fight back, I remember seeing hatton come back and even david haye against a bum, and they just looked 'off'. I also think the longer he waits the smarter a fighter AJ becomes, I know that after the Takem fight Rob Mckracken tore him apart and basically said come in at that weight again and find yourself a new trainer, so he's not playing

 

[Walken]

Two ways of looking at that really as mayweather lived right and kept himself in shape including boxing shape in the gym whilst Fury did neither . What Fury does have in his favour that mayweather didn’t his age , I don’t think he’s even 2 yrs older than Joshua .

You could possibly call Floyd the exception, even Ali didn't return the same fighter after a hiatus

 

[Harryflashman]

A couple of wins and he fights AJ and makes a stack of cash anyway, fury seems to have that natural sparring fitness some lads have regardless of athletic ability, a bit like tony bellew has it, but yeah he hasn't lived well, and I will be very interested to watch his timing in his first fight back, I remember seeing hatton come back and even david haye against a bum, and they just looked 'off'. I also think the longer he waits the smarter a fighter AJ becomes, I know that after the Takem fight Rob Mckracken tore him apart and basically said come in at that weight again and find yourself a new trainer, so he's not playing

Yeah It’s so individual you just don’t know until you see them back in there , a slight bit of rust is to be expected but we’ll know a lot when we see him back .

 

[Black Belt Jones]

I dont get it. People get banned for taking substances that are found in everyday medicines like ashtma inhalers ETC.
Tyson fury takes cocaine (the worst possible drug you can take) and he is back in the ring within 3 years with everyone looking forward to seeing him. Its as if he is such a nutter that everyone has forgiven him, as they probably expected him to do it.

He failed a drugs test for nandrolone - an anabolic steroid, which is considerably worse than cocaine when you're aiming to stove your opponents head in in a sporting contest. Actually failed it before he fought Wlad, but a massive delay in charging him for it on the part of the drugs agency undermined the case and caused confusion.

Basically 99% of boxing fans don't care about PEDs in the sport, presumably because they think everyone is doing it anyway, or boxing is so hard that it's a small sin, I don't know. It's ironic because if you take a step back and say what is the one sport where you really need fairness and a level playing field it's a martial sport like boxing where an athlete's health is on the line like nowhere else.
If Justin Gatlin or Alberto Contador want to take drugs to win their races then that's cheating and not right, but no one is really in physical danger over it.

 

[Walken]

He failed a drugs test for nandrolone - an anabolic steroid, which is considerably worse than cocaine when you're aiming to stove your opponents head in in a sporting contest. Actually failed it before he fought Wlad, but a massive delay in charging him for it on the part of the drugs agency undermined the case and caused confusion.

Basically 99% of boxing fans don't care about PEDs in the sport, presumably because they think everyone is doing it anyway, or boxing is so hard that it's a small sin, I don't know. It's ironic because if you take a step back and say what is the one sport where you really need fairness and a level playing field it's a martial sport like boxing where an athlete's health is on the line like nowhere else.
If Justin Gatlin or Alberto Contador want to take drugs to win their races then that's cheating and not right, but no one is really in physical danger over it.

brendan ingle used to say boxing is the one place you can be legally killed, I agree entirely with what you saying about recreational drug use versus performance enhancing drug in combat sports. I'm not totally for life bans in other sports as I don't think it would be productive, but boxing is a different story, and if medical experts can prove to convincing degree a deliberate advantage was gained in a combat sport, it should be treated as a crime and attempt to injure.

Unfortunately as you state drug control in boxing is behind other sports, boxers will face more stringent tests as an amateur than a pro, and mayweather was ridiculed for wanting olympic style testing vs pacquio, while pacquio was praised

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Unfortunately as you state drug control in boxing is behind other sports, boxers will face more stringent tests as an amateur than a pro, and mayweather was ridiculed for wanting olympic style testing vs pacquio, while pacquio was praised

That is one pharmaceutically-assisted career there. Started minimum weight and ended up sparking out welters left and right.

 

[Harryflashman]

That is one pharmaceutically-assisted career there. Started minimum weight and ended up sparking out welters left and right.

Carried his punch power up through the weights with a frame that size at the start , consider my sceptical it’s natural . Let’s face it manny hardly started with a Tommy hearns type body shape .

 

[Frang]

Carried his punch power up through the weights with a frame that size at the start , consider my sceptical it’s natural .

its unusual but not un-doable.

paq is one of my all time favourite bozers tho, esp in his early days. some of his early finishes were brutal!

 

[Walken]

its unusual but not un-doable.

paq is one of my all time favourite bozers tho, esp in his early days. some of his early finishes were brutal!

no chance he wasn't juicing during his peak welter days, may have come off it once ariza or whatever his name was left his camp, but I'd say it's fairly commonly accepted the pacman juiced

 

[Harryflashman]

its unusual but not un-doable.

paq is one of my all time favourite bozers tho, esp in his early days. some of his early finishes were brutal!

Yeah like I say mate consider me sceptical. Anyway Hope he’s over his crippling trypanophobia

 

[Harryflashman]

no chance he wasn't juicing during his peak welter days, may have come off it once ariza or whatever his name was left his camp, but I'd say it's fairly commonly accepted the pacman juiced

Even Freddie roach , and let’s face it look
At his reputation , said this about Ariza in an interview and I mean Freddie Roach !


“One of the reasons I don’t work with him [Ariza] anymore is he’s a little shady. He used to give Manny a drink before workouts, and I asked him what was in the drink and he would never tell me. I told him I need to know what was in the drinks because you’re giving it to my fighter.”