BBC's Panorama claims Islamic schools teach antisemitism and homophobia

[johnnydawg68]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/nov/22/bbc-panorama-islamic-schools-antisemitism

This is disturbing.

 

[davek]

Panorama is a pro-Israeli joke programme. It's connivance with the Israeli line in the last documentary it made on this subject - about the Gaza flotilla - was widely condemned.

And by the way, if the British government want to punish those 'school jihadists' then they should stop selling the Saudis weapons and cutting business deals with them...oh, hold on....

 

[tsubaki]

Panorama is a pro-Israeli joke programme. It's connivance with the Israeli line in the last documentary it made on this subject - about the Gaza flotilla - was widely condemned.

And by the way, if the British government want to punish those 'school jihadists' then they should stop selling the Saudis weapons and cutting business deals with them...oh, hold on....

Sadly you are not wrong about the Gaza flotilla Panorama, though whether or not it has any relevance on this is a bit questionable, and after all programme needs to be viewed in the context of it coming shortly after a very bitter war between the BBC and the various arms of the Israeli government operating in the UK (as was detailed in the excellent Dispatches by Peter Oborne), and with the BBC under severe pressure from the Government.

 

[johnnydawg68]

Panorama is a pro-Israeli joke programme. It's connivance with the Israeli line in the last documentary it made on this subject - about the Gaza flotilla - was widely condemned.

And by the way, if the British government want to punish those 'school jihadists' then they should stop selling the Saudis weapons and cutting business deals with them...oh, hold on....

So you're saying this is untrue and it's not happening?

 

[davek]

Sadly you are not wrong about the Gaza flotilla Panorama, though whether or not it has any relevance on this is a bit questionable, and after all programme needs to be viewed in the context of it coming shortly after a very bitter war between the BBC and the various arms of the Israeli government operating in the UK (as was detailed in the excellent Dispatches by Peter Oborne).

Dispatches is Ch4. The BBC News just reported what actually took place - a breathtaking insult to British sovereignty that saw Mossad stealing British passports and killing under the names of British citizens. I dont think it can be seen as a counterpoint to their Panaroma reports - which could have been written by the Israeli government.

Panorama editors are spineless tvvats: they pulled a programme during the run up to the election in May about Lord Ashcroft's long line of corrupt dealings with governments here and abroad. They did that at the request of the Conservative Party...and they probably did so because they feared gettin dealt with post election by the Tories cutting their license fee...whcih they did, in effect, anyway.

 

[davek]

So you're saying this is untrue and it's not happening?

No. I dont know if it is or isn't happening. My point is that there's a pattern emerging with Panorama that stinks the place out.

 

[Ezekiel]

No. I dont know if it is or isn't happening. My point is that there's a pattern emerging with Panorama that stinks the place out.

if its happening though..............

 

[tsubaki]

Dispatches is Ch4. The BBC News just reported what actually took place - a breathtaking insult to British sovereignty that saw Mossad stealing British passports and killing under the names of British citizens. I dont think it can be seen as a counterpoint to their Panaroma reports - which could have been written by the Israeli government.

Panorama editors are spineless tvvats: they pulled a programme during the run up to the election in May about Lord Ashcroft's long line of corrupt dealings with governments here and abroad. They did that at the request of the Conservative Party...and they probably did so because they feared gettin dealt with post election by the Tories cutting their license fee...whcih they did, in effect, anyway.

I disagree - on the issue of the BBC, dont forget that they did "take on"* the Israelis to the extent that, for a short while at least (in 2003), the BBC was virtually banned from reporting inside Israel, or even on Israeli politicians visiting the UK. For this bravery and commitment to getting the truth out, they recieved even less than **** all support from the government, opposition parties, their colleagues in the wider media (all three of those groups were to a greater or lesser extent in reciept of funds / free trips / other favours from various bits of the lobby) or society generally.

Given that the BBC were also under attack from both main parties and the rest of the media anyway (over Murdoch and "bias", which coming from something like the Mail is madness), it is quite understandable why they eventually caved in and put out such a glib piece of bollocks as the flotilla documentary was.

* which of course means that they didnt blindly parrot the Israeli line and instead reported what was going on

 

[DionDublin]

Is anyone suprised by this?

Regarding the BBC/C4,

The lunatic lefties always claim a zionist bias

where the idiots on the right claim a pro-palestine view

Anyone who claims either doesnt live in the real world.
Ther BBC and C4 are two fo the most balanced news reporters on the planet.
Anyone who disagrees please name me 10 more balanced ones? (the morning star and daily mail do not count)

 

[johnnydawg68]

if its happening though..............

...was kind of my original point...IF it is, this is incredibly disturbing.

 

[Blue 1]

It's not Islamic schools per se. It's a number of extra-curricular "sunday school" type classes, that reek of Saudi support. Saudi textbooks etc etc. Bad stuff. A bit like the BNP youth camps by the sound of it, teaching "Zionists rule the world", homophobia, death penalty, weapons training etc etc.

Needs knocking on the head IMO.

Anyway, aren't we banned from talking about this sort of thing?

 

[Ezekiel]

...was kind of my original point...IF it is, this is incredibly disturbing.

yes it is.

 

[davek]

I disagree - on the issue of the BBC, dont forget that they did "take on"* the Israelis to the extent that, for a short while at least (in 2003), the BBC was virtually banned from reporting inside Israel, or even on Israeli politicians visiting the UK. For this bravery and commitment to getting the truth out, they recieved even less than **** all support from the government, opposition parties, their colleagues in the wider media (all three of those groups were to a greater or lesser extent in reciept of funds / free trips / other favours from various bits of the lobby) or society generally.

Given that the BBC were also under attack from both main parties and the rest of the media anyway (over Murdoch and "bias", which coming from something like the Mail is madness), it is quite understandable why they eventually caved in and put out such a glib piece of bollocks as the flotilla documentary was.

* which of course means that they didnt blindly parrot the Israeli line and instead reported what was going on

The Israelis couldn't stick Orla Guerin the BBC reporter who, unlike a lot of her colleagues, told truth to power in Israel. The beeb pulled her out if reporting there and put her in pakistan or wherever. Very principled. they should have told the Israelis to **** right off.

Is anyone suprised by this?

Regarding the BBC/C4,

The lunatic lefties always claim a zionist bias

where the idiots on the right claim a pro-palestine view

Anyone who claims either doesnt live in the real world.
Ther BBC and C4 are two fo the most balanced news reporters on the planet.
Anyone who disagrees please name me 10 more balanced ones? (the morning star and daily mail do not count)

You're going to get some very good and brave reporting out of those two Murdochless tv channels, I agree. To defend the likes of Panorama though is poor judgement, IMO. That programme went to the dogs years ago, to be fair. It was once cutting edge investigative reporting, now it's a bag of [Poor language removed] that either reinforces prejudices or reports on the *important* issues of the day: such as a council failing to clear up dog muck or something equally earth shattering. Mind you, that's all *journalists* like Jane Corbin are fit for.

 

[Neiler]

Its scandalous the press Islam gets in the Western media - not far from being active discrimination!

 

[EFCNIK]

OMG why are people rushing to defend it?????!!!!! Infuriating. 'Oh the BNP this, the BNP that'. This conversation has nothing to do with that. But of course it's happening, so obvious. The fact we have Islamic only schools in England disgusts me anyway. Its like a breading ground for extremists.