basic passing technique??????????

[toffeebhoy]

have our players got it ???????

sadly as our season dwindles down it is becoming more and more evident to me that me dont possess simple technique... now before i start getting all the following ...

we hav had a fantastic season
we hav injuries
we would hav took 5 th b4 the season started ..........etc etc

all the above are very true but they still dont cloak the obvious....in last nights game how many times did we see neville, hibbert, yobo, jags, carsley giv the ball away so cheaply when at times they werent even under pressure.....we hav gone back to looking like a team who are trying their best not to concede rather than trying to score .........roll on the summer
oh to be wishing our life away ...............

 

[Sim]

We do seem to like playing the long ball against the big teams. I knew it was coming last night, we kick off, first ball back to Jagielka who hoofs it up in vain to Yakubu who does the obligatory leap for a hopeless ball, chelsea pick it up and come right back at us passing it through us.

I wonder if this is a deliberate tactics that we set out to do, or is it clear panic from a bunch of 11 players who know their not as tallented as the opposing 11?

 

[monty]

have our players got it ???????

sadly as our season dwindles down it is becoming more and more evident to me that me dont possess simple technique... now before i start getting all the following ...

we hav had a fantastic season
we hav injuries
we would hav took 5 th b4 the season started ..........etc etc

all the above are very true but they still dont cloak the obvious....in last nights game how many times did we see neville, hibbert, yobo, jags, carsley giv the ball away so cheaply when at times they werent even under pressure.....we hav gone back to looking like a team who are trying their best not to concede rather than trying to score .........roll on the summer
oh to be wishing our life away ...............

The two biggest failures in the passing department last night were Nevile and Fernandes, Nevile winning by a short head. Hibbert did give the ball away but nothing like as much as the other two. As for Joey and Jags, discount their panic hoof out of defence clearances, which can hardly be called passes, then they were no worse than anyone else.

If you look at the opta stats all year our pass completion rate has been poor, that failure was made up with constant fight, hard work and at times grim determination. Last night, as in most of our matches this year, that problem is coming home to roost, it is something that Moyes needs to address in the close season, its much too late now.

 

[C0yle]

i thought fernandes was one of our best against Chelsea, Gravesen was by far the worst (i know we were chasing the game when he came on but he really stank)

 

[Sim]

The two biggest failures in the passing department last night were Nevile and Fernandes

I fully agree with Neville, I dont know if you remember but there was one moment where he was given the ball to run upfield or distribute and instead he ran back to the box area and then to the corner flag but there was no one chasing him. It really was extremely embarrasing. The other players must have been wondering, "where the bloody hell is he going!"

You really thought Fernandez was poor though Monty? I thought he was probably our best player along with Jagielka last night.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's an English problem not just an Everton one. Think about it next time you bemoan about players lacking 'passion'. It's precisely this that lies at the root of the problem. People don't generally don't care if a player is rubbish technically as long as he runs his butt off. Couple that with a general fear of failure (witness people bagging Fernandes for failing with passes that he alone was trying) and you get to the problem. We need a change in culture to focus on technique. Youth teams even now are often equipped to win games rather than develop players.

Ask yourself this. Would a player like Leo Messi ever come through the English ranks or would he be ditched for being too small? Paul Scholes is the best technical player of his generation and even he was nearly thrown onto the scrap heap because of his size.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I can't really have a go at Yobo and Jagielka. I think they would keep it short if they had the option to. Neville and Carsley don't make themselves available so the only option is to pass sideways or go long. Neville occasionally shows for his back four whereas Carsley just stands behind his marker and isn't interested. I'm not saying the likes of Jagielka or Yobo are ball playing centre halves but alot of the time there only option is to pass long. When Fernandes moved centrally they started keeping it short.

There is a big difference between the likes of Neville and Carsley's passing compared to say Pienaar and Fernandes. I'd say Carsley and Neville probably kept the ball more than both Pienaar and Fernandes yesterday but that is because there majority of there passes where simple and infective. When Fernandes or Pienaar loose the ball its mainly because there trying to be inventive and look for a positive pass. They look to hurt teams and actually have an effect on the game and sometimes they just don't come off. I'd rather have someone trying to make an impact than someone passing sideways and backwards personally.

 

[Sim]

It's an English problem not just an Everton one. Think about it next time you bemoan about players lacking 'passion'. It's precisely this that lies at the root of the problem. People don't generally don't care if a player is rubbish technically as long as he runs his butt off. Couple that with a general fear of failure (witness people bagging Fernandes for failing with passes that he alone was trying) and you get to the problem. We need a change in culture to focus on technique. Youth teams even now are often equipped to win games rather than develop players.

Ask yourself this. Would a player like Leo Messi ever come through the English ranks or would he be ditched for being too small? Paul Scholes is the best technical player of his generation and even he was nearly thrown onto the scrap heap because of his size.

I dont think that is something that will change in the near future though Bruce, the run your ass off approach is not only English, all the british teams have the similar attitude so it would seem that its something very cultural to this part of the world. I think it comes from many aspects of british life, maybe its the weather, the mentality we have as kids but its probably many small things the combine together.

 

[Welton Toffee]

It was very frustrating last night. No jokes, I can pass the ball better than a lot of our players were doing last night.

How much do we pay them and they can't even do stuff that I was taught at about 7 or 8 years of age?!!!

 

[monty]

I fully agree with Neville, I dont know if you remember but there was one moment where he was given the ball to run upfield or distribute and instead he ran back to the box area and then to the corner flag but there was no one chasing him. It really was extremely embarrasing. The other players must have been wondering, "where the bloody hell is he going!"

You really thought Fernandez was poor though Monty? I thought he was probably our best player along with Jagielka last night.

No I didn't say he was poor, his passing was as he gave the ball away nearly as many times as Nevile and he got caught in possession too often, in his defence he used the ball far more than most thus he had the opportunity to give it away more. His all round display was much improved as were our dead ball plays as Arteta wasn't hogging possession. The weakest link last night was Phil Nevile, play him in midfield and its the same everytime.

 

[toffeebhoy]

that neville incident in the 1st half was laughable if not sore on the eyes...fernandes had his best game in awhile and though you could argue the point of him trying to do different things with the ball gettin caught so often and so easily in possession is murderous.. i mentioned both jags and yobo as i dread when isee them get on the ball too much as i think jags normally sends it aimlessly long or our of touch but we forgive him and he has bailed us out so often this yr ...did u see hoe many times yobo had to lunge into tackles to try get the ball back everytime he brought it our of defence......

its just a wish but i would like to see our team express itself a bit more rather than been known as a workaholic / grafting team .....we all know there are times when to put snow on the ball but that generally isnt everytime it comes to a blue shirt

 

[kenada_blue]

To be honest, hasnt this only just happened in the last 5 games this season?

The movement is rubbish at the moment, the easy pass isnt there half the time so they get the hoof football on the go.

We can play some tidy and beautiful football - look at when we outplayed Arsenal at Goodison the the 1st half, we outshone the team that is probably the best footballing side in the league AND WE HAD CARSLEY AND NEVILLE IN THE MIDFIELD THAT GAME. Outclassed Florentina, demolished Sunderland, Man City, Pompey.

We can pass, Neville can pass and there's been games where he has done so. He's played in every game this season and we've had a great season. I just think we're out of steam and ideas. There's no movement anymore and Moyes only need to find the right tactic and style again to get us through the last games of the season.

Neville has his flaws, but I think he's turned into our whipping boy for some fans as if all our problems lie with him.

 

[coyney]

No I didn't say he was poor, his passing was as he gave the ball away nearly as many times as Nevile and he got caught in possession too often, in his defence he used the ball far more than most thus he had the opportunity to give it away more. His all round display was much improved as were our dead ball plays as Arteta wasn't hogging possession. The weakest link last night was Phil Nevile, play him in midfield and its the same everytime.

To fair Monty I think he was caught in possession as no one was available to take the pass how Moyes puts Neville in midfield with carsley beats me it makes the centre of our midfield a no through ball zone

 

[harry]

No it hasn't just happened in the last 5 games we have only passed the ball around in very small spells in very few games.

it must be the way we train? if you train to pass and move thats how you will play. If you train to hoof it into the channels same goes.

We have the players Fernandes,osman,arteta and pienaar. It is the coaching/game plan that lets us down.

I agree that below the top 3/4 in the prem there is alot of huff & puff and very little quality

 

[TsarDiniyar]

The two biggest failures in the passing department last night were Nevile and Fernandes, Nevile winning by a short head. Hibbert did give the ball away but nothing like as much as the other two. As for Joey and Jags, discount their panic hoof out of defence clearances, which can hardly be called passes, then they were no worse than anyone else.

If you look at the opta stats all year our pass completion rate has been poor, that failure was made up with constant fight, hard work and at times grim determination. Last night, as in most of our matches this year, that problem is coming home to roost, it is something that Moyes needs to address in the close season, its much too late now.

fernandes might have give it away just as much.however, his attempted passes were a lot more probing and at least the guy tried to create something...jagielka, neville, hibbert, yobo, LESCOTT, carsley,and yakubu on the rare occasion he got the ball under control, played an aimless hoof up the pitch or a negative sideways pass or often back to tim.

fernandes was out best player by a mile and everyone would be loving him if the free kick went in, our very rare attempts on goal all came from him. get off his back