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Lack of progression? If he'd been given any chances to play a full game than its be lack of progression.
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Lack of progression? If he'd been given any chances to play a full game than its be lack of progression.
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Anustart
With Baines always injured and Coleman being inconsistent, the two man defensive midfield thing just doesn't work. We're too defensive, which was fine when our two fullbacks were causing havoc, but they're generally not.
I think one defensive mid with two central mids, acting more box-to-box, is the way to go. I also think this is how we'll see the best of Ross.
I think one defensive mid with two central mids, acting more box-to-box, is the way to go. I also think this is how we'll see the best of Ross.
Besic played about 5 seconds of football last season, on the grand scheme of things, and looked as good as or better than Barry every time, like.
It works sometimes, I think there is a problem with playing two players who want to do the same job. If we continue to play two defensive midfielders then we need one who will drop off and try and read the game and one who will put pressure on the ball.
It looks like Besic, if he develops, to pressure the ball and put tackles in and McCarthy to drop back behind him. We need the wingers to cover the wide areas.
Leave Lukaku as fall forward as we can get him, he causes the defence problems when he drops back to receive the ball which then bounces off him, and play Barkley in between the opposition's midfield and defence so that we can break quickly.
If we can pressure the opposition into hitting long balls or crosses from deep we have the defenders to deal with it.
The key is the ability to move the ball quickly from defence to attack so that we can hurt teams. We still need a midfielder who can open up defence minded team, we suffered enough last season with teams sitting in and us passing the ball around in front of them.
It looks like Besic, if he develops, to pressure the ball and put tackles in and McCarthy to drop back behind him. We need the wingers to cover the wide areas.
Leave Lukaku as fall forward as we can get him, he causes the defence problems when he drops back to receive the ball which then bounces off him, and play Barkley in between the opposition's midfield and defence so that we can break quickly.
If we can pressure the opposition into hitting long balls or crosses from deep we have the defenders to deal with it.
The key is the ability to move the ball quickly from defence to attack so that we can hurt teams. We still need a midfielder who can open up defence minded team, we suffered enough last season with teams sitting in and us passing the ball around in front of them.
Dithering Dougie
Banned
He had opportunities last season if he'd been good enough he'd have stayed in the team.
SpurtingLesbian
Ken Dodd Nagasaki
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Help me out here,
do you
disagree we rely on our full backs for creativity? (something you said we did)
disagree we've got arguably the best LB/RBs in the league and that we set out to make the most of them?
disagree most of our game is based around overloading their full backs and feeding the ball in from there?
disagree you'd have a point if we didn't have them bombing on, played everything through the middle, or even played wingers out wide for width?
Dithering Dougie
Banned
7 starts last season and 8 sub appearances I think it was actually.
Not sure that is true, Martinez does seem to depend on Barry an awful lot.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
In that system the only genuine width comes from the full backs though.
I've lost count of the number of times that I've seen our full backs receive the ball around halfway and be left with the choice of running down a blind alley or having to simply lay the ball back inside, as there's literally nothing ahead of them on the flank.
I detest 4-2-3-1, I can't understand the obsession with it, it's a very limited formation imo.
Are you suggesting the manager doesn't start who he perceives as his best available team?
No, I am saying I think he is of the opinion that Barry is a better overall option than Besic at the moment. It will be difficult to displace a player who the manager feels safe with.
SpurtingLesbian
Ken Dodd Nagasaki
yes, that is my point. And to play that system you need the pair in the middle to cover the full back's runs forward. A non attacking/creative role, but we're not talking about the formation, we're talking about the effectiveness of the two DM's IN that formation.
The main change that people would want would be replacing Barry with Besic within the current formation, that wouldn't solve the problems you are talking about. That would be for a different thread.
I always love this opinion. Or maybe he just sees Barry as the better overall player?
Rightly or wrongly.
SpurtingLesbian
Ken Dodd Nagasaki
And t be fair, Besic got injured in pre-season and is just about back and ready to play. Barry hasn't really put a foot wrong this season, why drop him for someone who'd half fit?
He got some match time against Belgium last night so he's probably about ready for selection again. Now all he's got to do is show he's a better option than Barry or wait until he's rested/injured/suspended like anyone else who's trying to get into the side.
He's also not made the most of his opportunities when he does get the chance so far, but at least that's something he can do something about.
LocalNative
MOSHIRI OUT
I disagree with your original point that having Coleman and Baines bombing forward takes away the need for creativity in the centre midfield. I also don't believe we rely solely on our full backs for creativity, that's a nonsense point. I didn't say we did, I said we shouldn't have to.
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