Gilbert..
Player Valuation: £50m
Very different to newcastle imo. You can clearly see and hear away fans at OT.
Away team players scoring at newcastle are like astronomers looking up at the milky way.
Always felt more should be made of this. Its a huge advantage for them.
EFC_FRANCIS
Player Valuation: £40m
The issue is the North stand is so small that the away end is quite dominant over it
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
The away fans are seated *ideally* for th PL's purposes for 'atmospherics'. Great for their *product* but not for our results or sense of having a fortress.
Everton's stadium design team have handed the away fans the plum visual - and what sounds like audio - spot in the stadium. That cant be right and it cant last.
If it really is the case we cant relocate them in the upper deck of that corner, we should at least get them away from that their and relocate them in the lower East stand. Section 18 (where they partially take up now) and 17 and 16 would keep them visually in the eyeliner, of course, but the audio impact they have where they are now in that corner would be taken away from them...and we'd also have our two ends back behind the goals.
Everton's stadium design team have handed the away fans the plum visual - and what sounds like audio - spot in the stadium. That cant be right and it cant last.
If it really is the case we cant relocate them in the upper deck of that corner, we should at least get them away from that their and relocate them in the lower East stand. Section 18 (where they partially take up now) and 17 and 16 would keep them visually in the eyeliner, of course, but the audio impact they have where they are now in that corner would be taken away from them...and we'd also have our two ends back behind the goals.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Nope.
When have you seen the away fans at OT unless the cameras make an effort to show them?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
We need to shift away fans at the earliest opportunity.
It's our home ground and we can locate them where we want if we stay in the 'atmospherics' guidelines of the PL for lower deck accommodation of away fans (is it a law or guideline btw? If the latter then tell them to GTF).
We haven't spent £800M to provide an away day boost for the opposition team, presumably. But that's what it looks and sounds like now.
Gilbert..
Player Valuation: £50m
In the stadium dave. Not the telly.
Away fans at OT can make themselves heard.
If you remove the oxygen mask at Newcastle you might
I didn't notice it as much against Villa (i didn't get a ticket against Brighton so I can't say)but we played a lot better in that match which obviously helps also maybe it's a night game thing where the sound travels more, I hope not as night games were when Goodison was it it's most intimidating.
I don't know where you could move them to maybe copy City where you have a strip of fans over two tiers breaking them down a bit more.
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £60m
You can't have it both ways.
Our stadium, we boasted about its acoustics, so we cant be unhappy when away fans benefit from the acoustics, can we?
The atmosphere amongst the fanbase was always going to be subdued whilst people change around. Thirst few years people will sample different areas for me.
Some wont like sitting down, some wont like standing up etc... so we'll naturally get an atmosphere.
The club probably should have done a "like for like breakdown" by stand so people knew what their seats wouls be like compared to Goodison.
Our stadium, we boasted about its acoustics, so we cant be unhappy when away fans benefit from the acoustics, can we?
The atmosphere amongst the fanbase was always going to be subdued whilst people change around. Thirst few years people will sample different areas for me.
Some wont like sitting down, some wont like standing up etc... so we'll naturally get an atmosphere.
The club probably should have done a "like for like breakdown" by stand so people knew what their seats wouls be like compared to Goodison.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Yep, it's our stadium and we can do whatever we want with it. Make it less atmospheric for the away fans and deny them an end would be my objective.
East stand sections 16-18. Put them there. Then we have two ends again.
Shift our fans now out of sections 16 and 17 lower deck before they have a problem moving from a place they're settled in.
Of course, all this will be falling on deaf ears at Everton because that stadium is controlled by corporate heads who think having two sets of supporters at absolute level pegging in terms of sound and vision is the ideal to produce 'the spectacle' so they can flog their tat to the global audiences.
Your right at Goodison people knew who where around them for years.
You could go ballistic jump up ect.
I was at the roma match and the family behind me were moaning if anyone stood up, and just generally moaning about everything .
I said to my lad, I hope you are not sitting next to these every game, luckily they weren't ,
Honestly It ruined the game. May as well be at the opera if that's the way its going.
It will take time for people to settle in, the football is so slow after the first 20 minutes or so rather isnt much to get anybody going.
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £60m
Its familiarity i think?
The people in the near vicinity ny me are sound. But got some ultra negative fellas by me though, it was unbearable on Monday.
But people will end up rotating round, finding their right way.
I dont think people not being able to see the seats in person first has helped. I realise it wasn't completely viable but didn't help matters.
I haven't expected atmosphere this season.
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £15m
Corner sections can be excellent for generating noise..... because if that singing section turns the corner, the sound they make travels along the length of both stand's roofs. Their fans can also see each other, which gives them a further sense of unity. The club that has probably nulified away fans the most is probably Wolves. A long, relatively narrow lower tier (probably less than 20rows)..... distant from the roof, with little, to no acoustic benefits. Man City split the away fans into a narrow strip over 3 tiers.....which might fragment that support, but would stop the full concourse circulation. Personally, I wouldn't want the away fans sitting above the home fans.... for all the obvious reasons. Where they are with respect to the cameras is irrelevant as regards the noise they make. They could've put them in the North West corner, but the acoustics would be just the same. It's a shame that the East stand wasn't 3 tier. They could've given them half of the lower tier.
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
We can't - the only thing you could do to make them less visible on telly would be to shift them to the north west corner where the family stand is now. Realistically that isn't happening and the PL, quite rightly, will have made sure that if we were building a brand new ground that it adhered to their current regs
ElGato
Player Valuation: £20m
But then we wouldn't be kicking towards our home fans in the second half! Why would you nullify your own advantage?
Ensuring that your opposition doesn't get the benefit of their fans is a tactic you do in away games - make Chelsea kick to the shed end first half for instance - but you don't do it at home!
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