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HC was ruthless. He probably thought he would only get two more years tops out of Ball and he had shown signs of hitting a plateau. Doubling your money was a very tempting offer. Still think it was a terrible decision. Christmas 1971 was hard for Evertonians. The man who had brought together the Holy Trinity also dismantled it. Sigh.
 

allezlesbleus said:
HC was ruthless. He probably thought he would only get two more years tops out of Ball and he had shown signs of hitting a plateau. Doubling your money was a very tempting offer. Still think it was a terrible decision. Christmas 1971 was hard for Evertonians. The man who had brought together the Holy Trinity also dismantled it. Sigh.
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Ruthless and, maybe, paranoid? Not a lover of big names although he "put up with" Bally for five years. Seem to remember he thought Ball wanted to go to United. Still think that a couple of things came together: the main stand debt; Arsenal's offer; H C's increasing loss of reality.
 
Yeah I think you have a good point there. I read somewhere, a quote from Labone I think that Hc was keenly aware of the fact that his methods tended to last a certain period of time and as soon as the player seemed to be thinking "heard that before" HC would move them on. He had built two excellent teams and was certain he could do the same again. Sadly the main stand and his health problems prevented him from doing what he had done in mid sixties. Lots of young lads coming through. The early to mid 70s generation never quite did it. Johnson, sergeant, whittle left under a cloud iirc. Buckley tidy player but no Alan Ball. Kenyon, darracott, tellfer compared with wright, hurst husband from previous era...... May have got the odd player out of sync there but you can see my drift.
 

The story I heard about Bally going ,was him going into see H.C and telling him to sign better player's. Harry flogged him after that.
 
allezlesbleus said:
Yeah I think you have a good point there. I read somewhere, a quote from Labone I think that Hc was keenly aware of the fact that his methods tended to last a certain period of time and as soon as the player seemed to be thinking "heard that before" HC would move them on. He had built two excellent teams and was certain he could do the same again. Sadly the main stand and his health problems prevented him from doing what he had done in mid sixties. Lots of young lads coming through. The early to mid 70s generation never quite did it. Johnson, sergeant, whittle left under a cloud iirc. Buckley tidy player but no Alan Ball. Kenyon, darracott, tellfer compared with wright, hurst husband from previous era...... May have got the odd player out of sync there but you can see my drift.
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Did the same with Bobby Collins - Labby mention that also!
 
Joey66 said:
Did the same with Bobby Collins - Labby mention that also!
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Funnily enough my dad never used to go on about Collins as much as you might think given how good he was. He pined over Kay much more. I guess the holy trinity vindicated any controversial sales that led to its creation.
 
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Funnily enough my dad never used to go on about Collins as much as you might think given how good he was. He pined over Kay much more. I guess the holy trinity vindicated any controversial sales that led to its creation.
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My dad and older brother enthused on the little general Bobby Colin's, and even more about Tony Kay both were class players Nobby styles would never had played in the World Cup! As for the blues set up ifs and bits I agree with you if Kay had not been Banned if Collins had stayed - would we have wittnesed the Holy trinity the best midfield going!
 
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