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billycopper said:
Moyes' limitations:

1) Generally only had one game plan- a hardworking forward running down the channels and a goalscoring midfielder in the hole.
2) He would use the same players week in week out even if they were woefully out of form or unfit.
3) He'd rather play for a draw than go for the three points and risk losing.
4) Despite what he might say he rarely gave youth a chance.
5) He didn't know how to spring a surprise on the opposition or to change a game.
6) He took goalscorers and turned them into work horses.

His methods got us to the cusp of European football but the 'bit of magic' that eluded him might not have been a player after all but tactical creativity instead. If we can get the right man in there should be money to spend in the summer. Players like Duffy, Oviedo, Barkley and Vellios should become more integrated with the first team squad and, hopefully, Jelavic will be given a partner and allowed to go back to poaching goals.

The concern is that, without Moyes pushing them so hard, players like Gibson, Osman, Pienaar and Anichebe could very quickly become very ordinary.
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Spot on
 
blueblue said:
I think David Moyes had gone a little stale at Everton and probably the club needs a new face to inject a new sense of enthusiasm.
I have found the second half of this season in particular tedious,with the cup defeat at Wigan the last straw
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This! THIS!

THIS!
 
billycopper said:
Moyes' limitations:

1) Generally only had one game plan- a hardworking forward running down the channels and a goalscoring midfielder in the hole.
2) He would use the same players week in week out even if they were woefully out of form or unfit.
3) He'd rather play for a draw than go for the three points and risk losing.
4) Despite what he might say he rarely gave youth a chance.
5) He didn't know how to spring a surprise on the opposition or to change a game.
6) He took goalscorers and turned them into work horses.

His methods got us to the cusp of European football but the 'bit of magic' that eluded him might not have been a player after all but tactical creativity instead. If we can get the right man in there should be money to spend in the summer. Players like Duffy, Oviedo, Barkley and Vellios should become more integrated with the first team squad and, hopefully, Jelavic will be given a partner and allowed to go back to poaching goals.

The concern is that, without Moyes pushing them so hard, players like Gibson, Osman, Pienaar and Anichebe could very quickly become very ordinary.
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Moyes was working on a budget, he will adapt now he had got the money and a squad to rotate with.
 
Bluekahunaburgers said:
Agree with the majority of that post. IF and its a big IF, but if the new man can turn some of them draws into wins and play players on form then maybe our league position won't suffer.
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We've drawn something like 40% of our games this season and only the Manchester giants have lost fewer. It's strange because we've only really started defending properly in the last month or so and our goalscoring record has hardly set the world alight.

If we appointed Martinez, Hughes or O'Neill they've all allowed clubs to slip perilously close to the trap door. Whereas Lennon and Laudrup haven't experienced that and you wonder whether they'd panic if they found themselves in that position. I think there was one year, possibly after the CL season, where we were close to the foot of the table and put on the afterburners to get away from it. Whoever we appoint should ideally have a strong track-record of staying away from relegation trouble.
 

David Moyes will bottle it at Man U, personally I wish him well and thank him for his service. However, Moyes has zero excuses with them ie money, small squad etc that he was some comfortable with at Everton.

An hour ago I was a bit p'd off but after a SSS (going out out tonight!) I am actually looking forward to the future. I also think that no matter what I have said of late about Bill Kenwright I really believe he will get us a very good manager and suprise us all, as this may keep him in the "hotseat" for another couple of years if he brings in "the fans choice"

Interesting times ahead, starting with me playing at Goodison Park on Tuesday! (Derek Temple is our manager!)
 
We have some very underrated players in our team, and Moyes cannot/won't need to take all of them with him.

Maybe we'll start getting some credit if we do well under a new manager, as opposed to just 'Moyes the miracle worker'. Which he kind of was, but it wasn't the sole reason we've finished in the top 7/8 for the last 7 years. The players did the business on the pitch.

It depends entirely on the next appointment. Get it right and we'll be laughing. Get it wrong and, well, we'll be quite literally crying, probably next May on the final day.
 
I think even if we'd had Arsenal-esque money and finished in the top 4 every year, he'd still have gone.

Very few managers if any would turn down United.
 

Jags..class said:
Moyes was working on a budget, he will adapt now he had got the money and a squad to rotate with.
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I'm not so sure. I think he's uncomfortable with not putting his strongest side out and he probably feels better not losing matches than winning them. And when he had money to spend with us he had a few misadventures with players like Kroldrup and Bilyaletdinov. It will be interesting to see if he can adapt.
 
billycopper said:
We've drawn something like 40% of our games this season and only the Manchester giants have lost fewer. It's strange because we've only really started defending properly in the last month or so and our goalscoring record has hardly set the world alight.

If we appointed Martinez, Hughes or O'Neill they've all allowed clubs to slip perilously close to the trap door. Whereas Lennon and Laudrup haven't experienced that and you wonder whether they'd panic if they found themselves in that position. I think there was one year, possibly after the CL season, where we were close to the foot of the table and put on the afterburners to get away from it. Whoever we appoint should ideally have a strong track-record of staying away from relegation trouble.
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Agreed, problem being our list is probably compiled of managers of that ilk, available or cheap (excl Laudrup). I wouldn't mind maybe Gus poyet unproven in top flight, but he has done well at Brighton. I only saw them a few times, but they played decent stuff and he at least seems to do things the right way. The thoughts of hughes and O'neil don't inspire me in the slightest. O'neil did a decent job at Celtic, but he seems to have the same tactics since them days and hasn't really changed with the times.
 
Bluekahunaburgers said:
Agreed, problem being our list is probably compiled of managers of that ilk, available or cheap (excl Laudrup). I wouldn't mind maybe Gus poyet unproven in top flight, but he has done well at Brighton. I only saw them a few times, but they played decent stuff and he at least seems to do things the right way. The thoughts of hughes and O'neil don't inspire me in the slightest. O'neil did a decent job at Celtic, but he seems to have the same tactics since them days and hasn't really changed with the times.
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Judging by Kenwright's appointment of Moyes (which was recommended by Walter Smith), I think he'll as Davey who he suggests to succeed him. We're probably going to be looking at someone hard-working, hungry and happy to work on a limited budget. Bill has shown that he isn't afraid to take a chance on somebody unproven. It will also probably help if they're available without compensation. And I think that Bill likes to make long-term appointments, so we'd be looking for someone relatively young. From the bookie's favourites the most-likely choices then are:

Periera
Neville
Round
Di Matteo

I don't see Round as a manager and I think he'll follow Moyes to United, so that would leave Periera and Neville with Di Matteo as an outsider.
 

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