A managers ability.

[blueblue]

I am old enough to remember a time when a manager was the most important person at a club.When money was less influential.
Now the most most important person is the owner and the amount of money he has and is prepared to sink into his club.

It made me wonder about the ability of the various managers in the premiership.
If Sir Alex Ferguson suddenly became manager of wigan,West Ham,Reading or other struggling clubs would he change their fortunes dramatically.If Martinez was given the Utd job would he then win the league?..would David Moyes ?
A couple of eeks ago I asked what kind of a season Spurs would be having if they had appointed David Moyes.

Is it possible for any manager to break through this famous glaas ceiling without huge pots of money. OR
is it possible for any manager anywhere to improve on the record of David Moyes without a large injection of cash.

 

[mscolari]

I am old enough to remember a time when a manager was the most important person at a club.When money was less influential.
Now the most most important person is the owner and the amount of money he has and is prepared to sink into his club.

It made me wonder about the ability of the various managers in the premiership.
If Sir Alex Ferguson suddenly became manager of wigan,West Ham,Reading or other struggling clubs would he change their fortunes dramatically.If Martinez was given the Utd job would he then win the league?..would David Moyes ?
A couple of eeks ago I asked what kind of a season Spurs would be having if they had appointed David Moyes.

Is it possible for any manager to break through this famous glaas ceiling without huge pots of money. OR
is it possible for any manager anywhere to improve on the record of David Moyes without a large injection of cash.

Only really one way to find out

 

[Timak]

Is it possible for any manager to break through this famous glaas ceiling without huge pots of money. OR
is it possible for any manager anywhere to improve on the record of David Moyes without a large injection of cash.

Nobody has so far
And
Nobody has so far

 

[SteKelly]

JOSE MOURIHNO

Edit: Joke lads, calm down.

 

[JamesEFC]

I've always thought the same thing, I'd love to see a so called top manager take over a poor side with a limited budget and see how they do.

On the other hand though they still have to use the money wisely, gel a team and get a bunch of ego's playing together.

 

[Everton 1878 NSNO]

Moyes had no fear of being sacked and trusted by the fans, why is/was he afraid to lose games over winning games? we don't mind losing if we give it a go and can see that the team is trying. We know we have good players and some lost matches are ok when the bigger picture of development and a stronger 20 players rather than the 11/12. As they say a win is 3 points a draw is 1 and we have seen the results this year of that mind set with the amount of draws we have had.

 

[Chimpy Glassman]

I am old enough to remember a time when a manager was the most important person at a club.When money was less influential.
Now the most most important person is the owner and the amount of money he has and is prepared to sink into his club.

It made me wonder about the ability of the various managers in the premiership.
If Sir Alex Ferguson suddenly became manager of wigan,West Ham,Reading or other struggling clubs would he change their fortunes dramatically.If Martinez was given the Utd job would he then win the league?..would David Moyes ?
A couple of eeks ago I asked what kind of a season Spurs would be having if they had appointed David Moyes.

Is it possible for any manager to break through this famous glaas ceiling without huge pots of money. OR
is it possible for any manager anywhere to improve on the record of David Moyes without a large injection of cash.

Brilliant post.

If you look at managers that have earned back to back promotion into higher leagues, that can't be just good fortune can it?

The premier league is a slightly different kettle of fish though.

 

[nsno-chris]

I am old enough to remember a time when a manager was the most important person at a club.When money was less influential.
Now the most most important person is the owner and the amount of money he has and is prepared to sink into his club.

It made me wonder about the ability of the various managers in the premiership.
If Sir Alex Ferguson suddenly became manager of wigan,West Ham,Reading or other struggling clubs would he change their fortunes dramatically.If Martinez was given the Utd job would he then win the league?..would David Moyes ?
A couple of eeks ago I asked what kind of a season Spurs would be having if they had appointed David Moyes.

Is it possible for any manager to break through this famous glaas ceiling without huge pots of money. OR
is it possible for any manager anywhere to improve on the record of David Moyes without a large injection of cash.

I honestly believe that it could happen; it would be a very minimal chance but I do believe a manager, with the right philosophy, could walk into a club and them players are pefect for his system; the final piece in the jigsaw analogy.

It would also need a hell of a lot of luck.

 

[jtl60]

I am old enough to remember a time when a manager was the most important person at a club.When money was less influential.
Now the most most important person is the owner and the amount of money he has and is prepared to sink into his club.

It made me wonder about the ability of the various managers in the premiership.
If Sir Alex Ferguson suddenly became manager of wigan,West Ham,Reading or other struggling clubs would he change their fortunes dramatically.If Martinez was given the Utd job would he then win the league?..would David Moyes ?
A couple of weeks ago I asked what kind of a season Spurs would be having if they had appointed David Moyes.

Is it possible for any manager to break through this famous glass ceiling without huge pots of money. OR
is it possible for any manager anywhere to improve on the record of David Moyes without a large injection of cash.

I was thinking last night about Brian McDermott after I heard the news he had been sacked. His immediate predecessor at Reading, Mr Alan Pardew and Mr Brendan Rodgers currently find themselves managers of significantly bigger and better clubs than Reading despite being sacked by the club and doing significantly poorer than Brian McDermott.

However, if for example in the Summer Moyes leaves, would McDermott be a name on peoples lips? Probably not in all honesty.

 

[Bluenose93]

Money will always play a big role in the premier league no matter what club you are, Alex ferguson has always had the money so say he did take over someone like wigan he couldnt do much without the right amount of funds

 

[toffeejack]

manager's ability is still key. United wouldn't so far ahead in the league if it wasn't for ferguson. They don't have a better squad that city or chelsea imo, but they have a manager who installs that winning mentality that has seen them come back to win so many games this season.

Money pays a big part, but it's not the be all and end all, look at liverpool and QPR, spent massive amounts lately and have been middle table and bottom of the table clubs this season, all because they had managerial baffoons like dalgleish and hughes at the helm who first couldn't pick the right players and secondly couldn't manage. A good manager like Steve Clarke has got a fairly average WBA squad to perform very well, just like david moyes did with us for the first half of his tenure.

It's a good topic OP, i reckon alex ferguson would succeed wherever he is, he obviously wouldn't be able to win the title at say wigan next season, but give him a reasonable amount of time and he'd bring them success imo. He just knows what to do, as illustrated with the real madrid tie - bringing welbeck in for both ties (i doubt many other managers would even consider it as a good idea) but he did and would have won the tie had it not been for that red card.

 

[Ihaters]

No, the only thing that we could potentially improve on is our attitude in certain games and with it our potential for silverware. You simply cannot buy 11 cheap players and still compete with some of the most expensively assembled squads in the world over the course of a season. We need to give the manager money to progress.
This is not a defense for the Wigan game which was a disgrace, but overall Moyes has done a superb job over the long haul and without his excellent signings, the money taken by the club for selling these players, and his ability to replace players with cheaper ones that somehow still improve us, we would be truly screwed by now.
Martinez may be decent but he's not a patch on Moyes, its a real shame people can't see it despite him being in the relegation zone.
Hughes is a perfect example of how money alone cannot make a decent manager, 90% of the clubs that come up and back down are an example of what happens with an average manager and no money.
You simply need both money and a decent manager or your going nowhere near the top.

 

[WA Toffee]

I think one thing to bear in mind is that Alex Ferguson won European trophies while at Aberdeen. He also broke a duopoloy several times. Granted things have changed since then, but Alex Ferguson has already proved he can win titles without being at the biggest and richest club.
In general, money guarantees you the opportunity to win titles, but the manager is the one who actually turns that opportunity into silverware.

 

[blueblue]

But how long ago is it since Ferguson was at Aberdeen,it was probably before the premiership came into being...and it is really only since the dawn of the premiership that money is king.
Nobody is denying that Ferguson is a great manager,but I don't believe he could win a title at present if he wasn't at Utd,City or Chelsea.

 

[Stend]

We've never been feared under Moyes. At the very best people have expected a tight game, hard to break down. Teams never expect us to do them 3 or 4 nil.