6 + 2 Point Deductions

Efcjake said:
I think this is what everyone has come to agree on. Nobody denies that we have overspent on crap, it's obvious to everyone. We also very clearly tried to do everything we could to hide it per the report.

A higher point deduction for overspending by 19 million than going into administration is farcical though and nobody thinks it makes sense.

Anywhere around 5-6 I think we all could have took it on the chin and moved on. Dumping us back in the relegation zone after forcing us to sell our best players and being in relegation battles two years running just really isn't on.
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Especially given the lack of any significant punishment of other clubs when they have broken rules, just seems very targeted.
 

davek said:
IMO - and as Ilve stated - I don't see how we get safe from here for reason's outlined already.

I'd support the club if they were to lead the attack against the PL by doing all manner of things: stopping their cameras entering Goodison Park, conducting all their media to the outside world by the club's own website, taking out any reference to the PL from own our kit and ground.

Go out in a blaze of defiance.
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Absolutely agree but would we be opening ourselves up to bigger sanctions? It’s clear we are a scapegoat. A team big enough to make people take notice but not a top 6 side.
If the PL think they can get away with taking more points from us to relegate us they will. It’s a fine balancing act of defiance and showing enough disdain to get other clubs on board.
This is the reason I suggested leave it to the fans as per usual.
 

Chris Martin said:
Absolutely agree but would we be opening ourselves up to bigger sanctions? It’s clear we are a scapegoat. A team big enough to make people take notice but not a top 6 side.
If the PL think they can get away with taking more points from us to relegate us they will. It’s a fine balancing act of defiance and showing enough disdain to get other clubs on board.
This is the reason I suggested leave it to the fans as per usual.
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The club have already shown dissent by their statement and their reference to others facing future charges. That would have been seen as a challenge by the PL.

We cant let this be the fans alone. Chong mentioned yesterday that they'd fight for the club and unify a response. So let's see him translate the cut of his jib into actions beyond an appeal.
 
Drico said:
This is bordering on complacency. What you have posted is correct - but it describes what happened when we had no key injuries. We are an injury to DCL and Tarkowski or Branthwaite away from grave peril. If we lose DCL again - which sensible people would bet on - then our advantage over the promoted clubs shrinks. Throw in only one of them going on an unexpected run, and the alarm bells will ring loud - because realistically it's any three from four now (us and the promoted clubs).

Another point to remember: we go to Burnley in December. If we don't win at Turf Moor, we will have played all three promoted clubs in the league this season - and failed to win any of those matches. There's going to be an awful lot riding on that match, especially as there might not be too many points for us over the upcoming run of United, Forest, Newcastle, and Chelsea.

We may not get relegated - but there are plausible paths to relegation for us and we have a huge fight on our hands now against three squads who have just been given a precious lifeline and route to possible survival. Complacency is our biggest enemy.
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What you have posted is also correct, but it is a worst case scenario. I am a glass half full person, and can not sèe a possible way that we won't win at least one game more than Luton do.

And I am comfortable with compacency - as long as it is me being complacent and not the players 👍
 
mahermi1 said:
Agreed but didn't the report say Everton got no sporting advantage ? If so there shouldn't possibly be any sporting penalty, such as a points deduction, which will mean nothing at all to an owner that has practically sold us anyway. It should have been a massive fine that Moshiri and Co had to pay, not the club.
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This is spot on. We've received a massive sporting penalty for breaking a rule on a technicality that's been found to have given no sporting advantage. A big old fine to the owner is exactly what should have been handed out. I'd also suggest that the penalty should be different depending on the owner. For instance, a fine would not even scratch the surface for the owners of City in the same circumstances, but taking titles off them would have more meaning. Even taking points off them wouldn't hurt them anywhere near as much as it has us.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Especially given the lack of any significant punishment of other clubs when they have broken rules, just seems very targeted.
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Financial irregularities other than administration have always been a fine. Manchester United were fined no more than 4 months ago by UEFA for breaking FFP.. not a single point deducted from them in their champions league group.. this whole thing stinks...the pasted link shows 6 teams fined this year for financial irregularities.

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How is that relevant, the fact you stole a car and it broke down does not change the fact you stole it1
Evertonthat said:
This is spot on. We've received a massive sporting penalty for breaking a rule on a technicality that's been found to have given no sporting advantage. A big old fine to the owner is exactly what should have been handed out. I'd also suggest that the penalty should be different depending on the owner. For instance, a fine would not even scratch the surface for the owners of City in the same circumstances, but taking titles off them would have more meaning. Even taking points off them wouldn't hurt them anywhere near as much as it has us.
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Just because you screwed up the cheating does not mean you did not cheat.
 

Evertonthat said:
This is spot on. We've received a massive sporting penalty for breaking a rule on a technicality that's been found to have given no sporting advantage. A big old fine to the owner is exactly what should have been handed out. I'd also suggest that the penalty should be different depending on the owner. For instance, a fine would not even scratch the surface for the owners of City in the same circumstances, but taking titles off them would have more meaning. Even taking points off them wouldn't hurt them anywhere near as much as it has us.
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City and 5 other clubs were given a 3mil fine each for plotting to kill the Premier lge.

That'll teach em .
 
Milk said:
According to Paul Joyce in today’s Times, one of the “independent“ panel members was a certain Nick Igoe - the West Ham finance director at the time of the Tevez affair.
What did WHam get? £5.5m fine but no points deduction plus compo to Shef Wed

Independent?
What was Tomlinson’s catchphrase in the Royale Family?
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By the way, at the time W Ham had to pay 5.5m , Igoe was a director and they put out a statement saying something along the lines of “fair decision as it would be unjust to punish the fans with a points deduction.” You couldn’t make it up.
 
chopper6 said:
I keep seeing comment we can’t be sued, the premier league would be where the claim is.

Yet there’s evidence on twitter from a lawyer saying there are 5 clubs attempting to sue us.

Which one is it?! Can we be sued or is it nonsense?!

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We need to fight dirty and start writing letters about them especially Leeds and Forest.
 
Dahnsouff said:
How is that relevant, the fact you stole a car and it broke down does not change the fact you stole it1

Just because you screwed up the cheating does not mean you did not cheat.
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All 100% correct but the punishment must fit the crime...
Stealing a car might get you 2 years in jail.
What's happened to us is like getting a death sentence for stealing a car.
 

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