6 + 2 Point Deductions


b-rad said:
It's not the suspension that matters - it's the fact we didn't go after the player for breach of contract on welfare grounds. IF we had every right to (note IF), and that would improve our losses by £10m, then it sounds like a perfectly reasonable circumstance to put forward for consideration.

It's not the losing value that we would have a case on (as you say, that happens all the time, for many reasons), but the fact we decided not to sue the player when Everton make it sound like we could have.
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The matter wouldn't have been resolved in time for this hearing and would have been booked in another reporting period.

It also doesn't matter as 10 million doesn't close the gap.
 
CrimsonToffee said:
Someone earlier posted a screenshot of the part of the document that explains how the 10 point deduction was calculated (too far back to find it right now). But basically, it was related specifically to the amount of losses over the £105 million threshold. If I remember correctly, any overage at all is an automatic 6 points, and then every £5 million chunk of the overage amount garners one more additional point.

They didn't arbitrarily decide on 10 points from scratch, then. It was based on a standard calculation. £19.7 million / £5 = 4 points (they rounded up, ha) + 6 automatic points = 10 point deduction.

What worries me about that is how do we then get that reduced on appeal?

There would only be two ways I could see:

1) Argue that the calculated amount of the losses was wrong, but that only gets us at best 1 or 2 points taken off, as the automatic 6 point deduction would still stand for the existence of any breach at all + whatever amount of losses was still shown to have happened. Plus we did already admit to the breach apparently.

or

2) Argue that the entire system of an automatic 6 points + 1 point per £5 million is unfair. But that would require whatever body who hears the appeal to be willing to overturn the actual punishment structure in general - not only as it applies to us but for all future breaches by anybody. That seems a hard sell too, even if it is the ethically correct one. This is not an ethically correct system we're operating in.

So as much as it pains me, I kind of agree with a few earlier who said the 10 points will stick. I just don't see how we win an appeal without essentially overturning the system, which you know isn't going to happen for us of all clubs.
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Wednesday got 12 points and appealed to 6 for example in the EFL. The appeals board ruled they disagreed with some of the independent commission findings.

Same thing here. The league will appoint an appeals board and they'll review it.

The other rat clubs who want to sue for compensation have 28 days to do so also
 

Could have been worse, we could have already been bottom and that -10 points would have buried us. at least we still have it in our own hands to get out of it.....until they hit the club with another sanction and points deduction.

If breaching the rules means punishment, then every breach should be punished at every club. It won't happen but many clubs, especially City and Chelsea should be punished harshly.
 

Azza said:
1000000000000000 point deduction.








You'd think that would be Everton's basis of the appeal.
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I’ll make a prediction of: - 10 point deduction for Everton, then the number of cases of financial digressions just got too many and complicated forcing the PL into a rethink on FFP and an amnesty on all unresolved cases. Everton will remain the only club ever punished by FFP.
 

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