6 + 2 Point Deductions

[ToffeeTim]

This is an independent panel. It won’t care about weakness.

But the previous panel chose the same punishment as suggested by the PL. So I'm waiting to see what the outcome is of this appeal, and have many issues with how the process has been handled.

I expect something back - because a higher penalty than administration is totally unjustifiable - but probably 2 or 3 points max. I've also still not heard a single logical argument why this should merit a higher punishment than going into admin. I suspect that is because there isn't a sensible argument.

COnsidering the second charge I believe is for 2/3 of the same period, in theory any punishment should probably be proportionately reduced to avoid a double punishment.

 

[arch stanton]

Think what you want. But they have no interest in whether the PL are seen as weak or not.

think what you think but these 'independent' people have been employed by the PL, and are given a certain amount of official instructions as to the the scope and rules of engagement, and who knows what unofficial instructions have been given. The PL is bent, if you think the panel isnt bent too then I will respectfully disagree.

 

[Somerset Blue]

This is an independent panel. It won’t care about weakness.

I hope you’re right, everything so far with this process suggests they’re as independent as your average EDL meeting.

 

[ForestBlue]

Looking at other cases, teams always seem to get something back no matter how guilty they are. It was a heavy punishment, I have absolutely no doubt that it will get reduced. No doubt.
Biggest issue now is PSR2. A second breach may be deemed more serious and have a bigger punishment (even though we all know how nuts that would be)

You say you have no doubt about a reduction but unless you have insider info you are only speculating, like the rest of us.

I still think it's easier for the Premier league to do nothing unfortunately as that will result in only us complaining. Any reduction may open the league up to potential litigation from other clubs who are then subsequently impacted by the decision.

My best guess is the original deduction will stand followed by a reduced deduction and or fine for the second breach if they think the first was actually too severe.

 

[Tipp blue]

Here you go:

European Super League six face £25m fines if breakaway repeated

The clubs have agreed to heftier fines and points deductions if they back joining a similar breakaway project in future.

news.sky.com

As a result of the ESL affair, the punishment is now immense. And don’t worry about EU rules, this is premier league rules and we aren’t in the EU any more

The Ruling was against UEFA, UEFA govern the PL and the PL are bound to UEFA rules, and because of the EU ruling UEFA have had to change the rules.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Here you go:

European Super League six face £25m fines if breakaway repeated

The clubs have agreed to heftier fines and points deductions if they back joining a similar breakaway project in future.

news.sky.com

As a result of the ESL affair, the punishment is now immense. And don’t worry about EU rules, this is premier league rules and we aren’t in the EU any more

The are in UEFA

 

[RD2910]

You say you have no doubt about a reduction but unless you have insider info you are only speculating, like the rest of us.

I still think it's easier for the Premier league to do nothing unfortunately as that will result in only us complaining. Any reduction may open the league up to potential litigation from other clubs who are then subsequently impacted by the decision.

My best guess is the original deduction will stand followed by a reduced deduction and or fine for the second breach if they think the first was actually too severe.

There wouldn't be any litigation. It would be without any basis whatsoever, given the rules clearly allow for appeals and subsequently any punishments to be overturned.

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

The Ruling was against UEFA, UEFA govern the PL and the PL are bound to UEFA rules, and because of the EU ruling UEFA have had to change the rules.

No, you’re wrong. It doesn’t matter what UEFA’s rule is, the premier league rule is a 30 point deduction and £25m fine.

 

[Iana]

I see the Luton Town Chairman has piped up on points deductions and stated “rules are rules and there needs to be punishment for breaches”.
He talked about the 30 point deduction given to Luton as if they were unfair…he forgot to mention they got 10 points for financial irregularities going back several seasons and another 20 points for failing to satisfy HMRC for insolvency provisions.

The club need to wrest control of the narrative on why our situation is a bit different to the Luton,Leeds,Sheffield Wednesday et al. The first being that EFL is different to EPL and,secondly, there is no PL rule for a PSR breach. The maximum sanction is 9 points for entering administration so how can we be sanctioned more points than that.

 

[Simon Buttle]

I see the Luton Town Chairman has piped up on points deductions and stated “rules are rules and there needs to be punishment for breaches”.
He talked about the 30 point deduction given to Luton as if they were unfair…he forgot to mention they got 10 points for financial irregularities going back several seasons and another 20 points for failing to satisfy HMRC for insolvency provisions.

The club need to wrest control of the narrative on why our situation is a bit different to the Luton,Leeds,Sheffield Wednesday et al. The first being that EFL is different to EPL and,secondly, there is no PL rule for a PSR breach. The maximum sanction is 9 points for entering administration so how can we be sanctioned more points than that.

It's the usual stuff with us though, just no communication from the club. Dyche should not be fielding any questions whatsoever about the off field situation, it should be down to people further up the food chain imo.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I see the Luton Town Chairman has piped up on points deductions and stated “rules are rules and there needs to be punishment for breaches”.
He talked about the 30 point deduction given to Luton as if they were unfair…he forgot to mention they got 10 points for financial irregularities going back several seasons and another 20 points for failing to satisfy HMRC for insolvency provisions.

The club need to wrest control of the narrative on why our situation is a bit different to the Luton,Leeds,Sheffield Wednesday et al. The first being that EFL is different to EPL and,secondly, there is no PL rule for a PSR breach. The maximum sanction is 9 points for entering administration so how can we be sanctioned more points than that.

Rules are rules except when they make them up and change them halfway through the accounting period.

 

[Iana]

Rules are rules except when they make them up and change them halfway through the accounting period.

Exactly…add it to the list!

 

[Drico]

I see the Luton Town Chairman has piped up on points deductions and stated “rules are rules and there needs to be punishment for breaches”.
He talked about the 30 point deduction given to Luton as if they were unfair…he forgot to mention they got 10 points for financial irregularities going back several seasons and another 20 points for failing to satisfy HMRC for insolvency provisions.

The club need to wrest control of the narrative on why our situation is a bit different to the Luton,Leeds,Sheffield Wednesday et al. The first being that EFL is different to EPL and,secondly, there is no PL rule for a PSR breach. The maximum sanction is 9 points for entering administration so how can we be sanctioned more points than that.

If you are basing your survival hopes on other clubs having points docked then you have just admitted that you are uncompetitive and have no business in the top flight.

 

[Iana]

If you are basing your survival hopes on other clubs having points docked then you have just admitted that you are uncompetitive and have no business in the top flight.

He also said that Luton now had a 5% share in the PL and were going to make their voices heard…good luck with that one mate!

 

[Tipp blue]

I see the Luton Town Chairman has piped up on points deductions and stated “rules are rules and there needs to be punishment for breaches”.
He talked about the 30 point deduction given to Luton as if they were unfair…he forgot to mention they got 10 points for financial irregularities going back several seasons and another 20 points for failing to satisfy HMRC for insolvency provisions.

The club need to wrest control of the narrative on why our situation is a bit different to the Luton,Leeds,Sheffield Wednesday et al. The first being that EFL is different to EPL and,secondly, there is no PL rule for a PSR breach. The maximum sanction is 9 points for entering administration so how can we be sanctioned more points than that.

He's right, but the punishment needs to be specified not made up on the spot depending on whether or not you are a sky 6 club.