40 points

[Titus Bramble]

Can't wait for Davek's input in this thread...

Personally I think he takes each milestone as it comes, i.e. first get to 40 points, then kick on to get to 60 odd points and so on. When I work I set myself milestones and work to each one as I go and it sounds like he does a similar thing, albeit in a completely separate setting.

 

[micknick]

He had a point at the time. If he said that now I would be jumping on your band wagon of hate.

 

[Rugby Toffee]

one brick at a time....no biggie really...

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Because it's in his own best interests to do so.

He has the safest job in football due to our low expectations - raising them just puts pressure on his own job.

He doesn't need to raise them though really. He could just say we're aiming to win as many games as possible and finish as high as we can. There's no obligation to state a specific number of points or position.
I know what you're sayin though. If people accept 40 points as our objective, anything over that makes him look like a miracle worker.

 

[Tubey]

Actually Mick, he still has a point now as he made that comment about Man City.

Last time I post a light hearted picture on here...

 

[Jacko93]

I'm pretty certain that what he tells us through the national media, is completely different to what he tells the players in the training pitch or changing room.

 

[Mrk]

So is he managing expectations well through frequently harping on about relegation battles from 10 years ago?

I don't think that is good management of expectations, instead it is the perpetuation of a small club's mind set. You don't hear Man City harping on about their numerous relegations over the years.

I think he's managed expectations excellently over his time here - when we had no money and a **** squad he instilled hope into the club, when we had a good squad he kept our feet on the ground.

And you can't compare our situation to Man City's - despite our good start to the season, we are still in a very precarious position, Man City aren't.

 

[micknick]

Actually Mick, he still has a point now as he made that comment about Man City.

Last time I post a light hearted picture on here...

Was a joke man. I like pictures.

Was just saying that if he said that to anyone now I would be royally pee'ved at him.

 

[Essex Blue]

I think he's managed expectations excellently over his time here - when we had no money and a **** squad he instilled hope into the club, when we had a good squad he kept our feet on the ground.

And you can't compare our situation to Man City's - despite our good start to the season, we are still in a very precarious position, Man City aren't.

IMO his management of expectations seems to consist of keeping expectations at the same level as what they were when he came to the club in 2002. This isn't managing expectations, it is denouncing them.

We draw against bottom of the table QPR, and instead of expressing our very real disappointment, he starts harping on about relegation battles that took place 10 years ago.

We aren't in a precarious position, we were still finishing in the top half when our squad was far crapper than what it is now. We are European challengers, and a world away from being relegation candidates.

 

[toffeejack]

Saw an interview he did with Lawrenson before the derby and he said the expectation when he first joined was safety and that 40 points- he then went onto say that now they have a really good squad- the best hes had at Everton and they are pushing for Europe.

He came across really well too. He always looks like hes got of angst with reporters when he talks post match.

[video=youtube;44b1RleN4Po]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44b1RleN4Po[/video]

yep, was gunna say the same thing, watched footy focus for the first time in yonks and it was refreshing to see him set his sights so highly (for him). Can understand him downplaying expectations but using the 40 point margin is fairly embarassing given our squad

 

[Ihaters]

Not that long ago he said he had a great squad and was hoping for a great season, didn't pan out, people still quote what he said as a means to have a go at Moyes.. Basically it doesn't matter what he says.. it will be turned against him.
He may as well keep telling things like it is and in this case, we need 40 points as our first objective. Our next objective will come into play when we have 40 points and we see who is near us at that time.

 

[Mrk]

IMO his management of expectations seems to consist of keeping expectations at the same level as what they were when he came to the club in 2002. This isn't managing expectations, it is denouncing them.

We draw against bottom of the table QPR, and instead of expressing our very real disappointment, he starts harping on about relegation battles that took place 10 years ago.

We aren't in a precarious position, we were still finishing in the top half when our squad was far crapper than what it is now. We are European challengers, and a world away from being relegation candidates.

I couldn't disagree more - when Moyes first came here he was honest about what he wanted to achieve and he has remained that way ever since.

It bemuses me why people place so much emphasis on what a manager says in press conferences and post match interviews, they're completely irrelevant in the scheme of things.

And by 'precarious position' I meant financially - and you can't disagree that while we're doing well on the pitch, off it we're still very much in the ****.

 

[blue4eva77]

A decade ago, 40 points was probably our team goal at the start of every season. If im honest and i don't think im speaking for myself here, i always slept a little bit easier once we reached the 40 point barrier myself. I used to look at remaining fixtures and try and calculate where we would get the required points from to go beyond the ' magic 40 '.

Is it a goal, should it be ? or was everyone involved with Everton just being realistic ? IDK, but i will this...... Even with the pittance that has been spent in recent seasons, this squad of players we have now should be challenging for european qualification year in and year out. To get in and around those league placings we have to have between 60 and 70 points and that should be our team goal now.

I think the last few years has settled my nerves a lot and i don't even think about the 40 points barrier now when we actually get there. Expectations have changed for me and rightly so as we ARE a decent and capable team.

 

[Essex Blue]

I couldn't disagree more - when Moyes first came here he was honest about what he wanted to achieve and he has remained that way ever since.

It bemuses me why people place so much emphasis on what a manager says in press conferences and post match interviews, they're completely irrelevant in the scheme of things.

And by 'precarious position' I meant financially - and you can't disagree that while we're doing well on the pitch, off it we're still very much in the ****.

I can't agree that interviews with the manager are irrelevant. The best managers use them as a means of influencing people, whether it be the fans, the players, the referee or the opposition. They are supposed to be an insight into the manager's outlook and perspective.

I just want him to STOP harping on about relegation battles from 10 years ago. Why does he do it? IMO it is his way of 'managing' expectations by keeping expectations low. For me this represents a very negative, small club attitude, that is used to try and take pressure off himself.

I don't believe our financial situation is anywhere near as precarious as people make out. I've been hearing it for 20 years, yet we have never defaulted on a single payment. When the bank has demanded the repayment of what was an authorised overdraft, we simply sold a few players and we were sound. With the new revenue on its way, Everton aren't in a precarious situation at all. In fact, the directors' biggest dilemma is going to be how they go about spending their new found revenue.

There really is no need for Moyes to keep referring to relegation battles from 10 years ago. It's every bit as ridiculous as Howard Kendall talking about our 1987 championship winning squad when we were battling relegation in 1997. Kendall didn't actually do this, but if he did, he would have been every bit as ridiculous as Moyes harping on about relegation in 2012.

 

[blue4eva77]

I can't agree that interviews with the manager are irrelevant. The best managers use them as a means of influencing people, whether it be the fans, the players, the referee or the opposition. They are supposed to be an insight into the manager's outlook and perspective.

I just want him to STOP harping on about relegation battles from 10 years ago. Why does he do it? IMO it is his way of 'managing' expectations by keeping expectations low. For me this represents a very negative, small club attitude, that is used to try and take pressure off himself.

I don't believe our financial situation is anywhere near as precarious as people make out. I've been hearing it for 20 years, yet we have never defaulted on a single payment. When the bank has demanded the repayment of what was an authorised overdraft, we simply sold a few players and we were sound. With the new revenue on its way, Everton aren't in a precarious situation at all. In fact, the directors' biggest dilemma is going to be how they go about spending their new found revenue.

There really is no need for Moyes to keep referring to relegation battles from 10 years ago. It's every bit as ridiculous as Howard Kendall talking about our 1987 championship winning squad when we were battling relegation in 1997. Kendall didn't actually do this, but if he did, he would have been every bit as ridiculous as Moyes harping on about relegation in 2012.

Im not having a go mate but this is typical of most Evertonians. The on the field stuff (when its good) clouds over and acts as a smoke screen for the utter ****e thats going on off the field. How can you say we as a club are not in a precarious position, yet in the same sentence explain how we have to sell a player or two to balance the books ??

I don't mean to sound drastic and a miserable prick but lets not forget that even though we are playing some great football, our club is in the financial **** mate.