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[Bainsey]

But that was my point regarding the fact Moyes would walk solely down to the board. It was a post regarding Moyes to take responsibility for his own job and the tight budget he's got to spend to improve.

Moyes is responsible for wanting players in, and if we cant get them he's to look somewhere else, that's just the way it is. I'm not questioning his transfers, what I'm questioning is some people think he didnt have money to spend because of the board. When he did have money to spend he spent it on Fellani. They think that the board didnt give him money to spend and we paniced bought him at the last minute. Maybe so, but Moyes still wanted him, still thinks he's an excellent player like with all the transfers he's made.

Because he cant make the team work people are blaming the board? Dont buy that.

I brought up Wenger and Arsenal because he's never spent more that 20mill on a player and built an amazing side, so sometimes money is never the answer. Moyes in some respects has tried to do the same because he's got limited funds and he's had to keep his eye out for talant at a price. But if people aint rating Fellani or any other of his purchases in the past, £15mill or X ammount that isnt ridiculous, could've gone a long way to bring other "talant" in ala Arsenal and Wenger style (maybe not as successful but it was an example). So Moyes could've done alot with £15million. I'm not questioning the Moyes, I'm backing him up because he bought and spent what he could for a reason that they can improve the team.

So why walk if we lose against Liege. If he does its not football for reasons.

You are reading that completley in the wrong context. It has nothing to do with him not being able to get the team to work, if Moyes walked it wouldn't be down to the teams performances it will be because hes had enough of it all, I would happily stand up and blame Kenwright and the board for not backing the man considering what he has achieved for this football club, I am not blaming the board because of the teams performances though if we had better players or didnt find the scraps at the bottom of the barrel with a week to go the team might perform a little better.

Also what has Vela done yet? Apart from get a hatrick against a team in a poor standard league? Walcott cost about £12m too.

 

[Goat]

No your right tep. But he's done so well expectations are much higher now. We need to push on, we need to play better football. I would really like to be entertained by the boys. I want to see us play good football. Im struggling to remember the last time we played someone of the park.

We play to direct, id like to see us get it on the floor an play a little.

Whilst i agree with you, i gotta say that i would rather we played ugly football and won, atm i dnt honestly care about our style of play.

But there lies the problem, untill we get the ball down and play football we aint gonna win, nobody gets goals by playing hoofball and the only reason we are playing that atm is cos the movement from players is awful.

Nobody is sure of their roles, there is no natural width to the team, any winger we play whether its Ossie, Pieman or Mikel likes to cut inside.

For years we have been crying out for some with natural width, i did make a cock up once and called Pieman a natural winger, it was pointed out that he isnt, i agree, but i feel hes the 1 player that is comfortable on the wing, although even he likes to cut inside.

The best teams dont always play 4-4-2, but they always have 2 players in the side who hug the touchline.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

And if moyes had the backing he wouldn't have those dire players that play that dire football.

The summer was a mess, we spent virtually nothing, are you believing that if Moyes walked it would be because of the teams performances rather then this invisable contract offer, the kirkby mess and the fact he has no support what so ever from the board?

We've been playing like this for the majority of his time here. Hoofball, percentage football that usually fails on the continent. Last season was the first time in a long time that I've enjoyed watching an Everton side. We haven't sustained it though, we've gone back to the dire football.

So Osman, Arteta, Cahill, Baines, Lescott, Yakubu etc are dire players? Tony Mowbray could get them playing pass and move football. The three signings he's made (Saha/Castillo/Fellaini) all look very capable footballers yet we stick to these tactics of bypassing them at every oppurtunity.

If Moyes was angry at the board and the lack of support he would have left alot sooner than now, why wait until 7/8 games into the season? It doesn't make sense at all.

If Moyes leaves after the Liege game it'll be because he's failed in my opinion, getting knocked out of the first Uefa cup round again and struggling in the League. I don't think he will personally but if he does he's a shithouse, plain and simple really.

No support from the board? The same board that probably should have sacked him long ago when we finished 17th? It works both ways for me, he's struggled in the past and they've stuck by him, this time they've struggled and he should stick by them and do his job properly.

I'm not Kenwright fan but he's got nothing to do with the style of play we are using, the poor tactics and the negative outlook. They are different issues for me.

 

[coyney]

We've been playing like this for the majority of his time here. Hoofball, percentage football that usually fails on the continent. Last season was the first time in a long time that I've enjoyed watching an Everton side. We haven't sustained it though, we've gone back to the dire football.

So Osman, Arteta, Cahill, Baines, Lescott, Yakubu etc are dire players? Tony Mowbray could get them playing pass and move football. The three signings he's made (Saha/Castillo/Fellaini) all look very capable footballers yet we stick to these tactics of bypassing them at every oppurtunity.

If Moyes was angry at the board and the lack of support he would have left alot sooner than now, why wait until 7/8 games into the season? It doesn't make sense at all.

If Moyes leaves after the Liege game it'll be because he's failed in my opinion, getting knocked out of the first Uefa cup round again and struggling in the League. I don't think he will personally but if he does he's a shithouse, plain and simple really.

No support from the board? The same board that probably should have sacked him long ago when we finished 17th? It works both ways for me, he's struggled in the past and they've stuck by him, this time they've struggled and he should stick by them and do his job properly.

I'm not Kenwright fan but he's got nothing to do with the style of play we are using, the poor tactics and the negative outlook. They are different issues for me.

I agree with a lot of what you say Moyse I think is the best manager we could attract at this time but his style of football over the length of time he has been here has been poor entertainment but getting results and as we struggled before he come people where prepared to accept it for a while but now after, is it 6 years ? we were expecting a improvement in style so Saturdays back to basics was a bitter pill to swallow

 

[Bainsey]

We've been playing like this for the majority of his time here. Hoofball, percentage football that usually fails on the continent. Last season was the first time in a long time that I've enjoyed watching an Everton side. We haven't sustained it though, we've gone back to the dire football.

So Osman, Arteta, Cahill, Baines, Lescott, Yakubu etc are dire players? Tony Mowbray could get them playing pass and move football. The three signings he's made (Saha/Castillo/Fellaini) all look very capable footballers yet we stick to these tactics of bypassing them at every oppurtunity.

If Moyes was angry at the board and the lack of support he would have left alot sooner than now, why wait until 7/8 games into the season? It doesn't make sense at all.

If Moyes leaves after the Liege game it'll be because he's failed in my opinion, getting knocked out of the first Uefa cup round again and struggling in the League. I don't think he will personally but if he does he's a shithouse, plain and simple really.

No support from the board? The same board that probably should have sacked him long ago when we finished 17th? It works both ways for me, he's struggled in the past and they've stuck by him, this time they've struggled and he should stick by them and do his job properly.

I'm not Kenwright fan but he's got nothing to do with the style of play we are using, the poor tactics and the negative outlook. They are different issues for me.

Jesus wept, I havnt said Kenwright has got anything to do with what style of football we play or how good are players are.

I simply said if Moyes walks i will blame the board for not supporting him in the summer.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Jesus wept, I havnt said Kenwright has got anything to do with what style of football we play or how good are players are.

I simply said if Moyes walks i will blame the board for not supporting him in the summer.

Why would he leave now though? If he was worried about not being backed he'd have left a few weeks ago. That isn't the case though, he actually praised the board for getting him Fellaini.

Moyes said last season that he would have quit if we'd have been knocked out by Metalist, he felt if he didn't he wouldn't have been good enough to carry on here. That's the only reason I could see him leaving.

 

[kenada_blue]

Huh? Cahill, Arteta and Lescott have recently signed new 5 year deals mate....

I've got absolutely no doubt that Vela, Ramsey and especially Nasri wouldn't move to us simply because they are talents which the top clubs would be after.

I said "Not signing Cahill, Arteta, Lescott and Pienaar to long term contracts?" being hypothetical as in that the board wouldnt allow it when he asked. But they did, its what he wanted to strengthen the team so it happened.

And what could stop Vela coming if we went after him or someone like him as a 16 year, got in there before anyone else? Like a Ramsey or a Nasri (who Arsenal bought by the end of last year for less than our new boy)?

You are reading that completley in the wrong context. It has nothing to do with him not being able to get the team to work, if Moyes walked it wouldn't be down to the teams performances it will be because hes had enough of it all, I would happily stand up and blame Kenwright and the board for not backing the man considering what he has achieved for this football club, I am not blaming the board because of the teams performances though if we had better players or didnt find the scraps at the bottom of the barrel with a week to go the team might perform a little better.

Also what has Vela done yet? Apart from get a hatrick against a team in a poor standard league? Walcott cost about £12m too.

But they're my points. Its wrong to blame the board for the teams performance, I agree and that's what my post was about, sorry for confusion.

The second point is Moyes, even Wenger and Ferguson show that you dont have to spend £20-30million on players to get top draw talent sometimes.

Now, we all know top players cost that much and yeah we all want our club to be able to do that. But we could also have better players if we scouted more, kept our eyes out, maybe spent money on that side of the club more so "scraping the barrel" wouldnt be an issue. £15million could go along way in buying that youth, which maybe Moyes has done with Fellani, time will tell.

You say what has Vela done? He's what, 17-18? Arsenal bought him from pratically nowhere for 2million 2 seasons ago I think and there were spells in last nights game where he made the Porto defence look like sunday leaguers. Are people saying that it wouldnt be nice to have someone like that in our youth side? You can say "well even the youth only go to the big clubs" which is bollocks. At 16 they're a massive gamble and you either pay less or maybe more than usual but you take that risk, its all about if the club want them and getting them early.

Maybe I've been making a point off topic, it went off that way, and I've confused people. But the fact Moyes had £15million this year and spent it on one player. He could've spread it, took a bit of gamble, boosted the squad with fresh untapped talent. Now people are saying he could leave because those players HE'S bought aint up to scratch or working right at this moment in time. I thought Moyes was more than that. If he sees no future with the players he's got now, that he spent years building, and wants to walk, then [Poor language removed] him and its his own fault fo [Poor language removed] up and not trying hard enough when he had possibilities with his limited resources.

 

[Bainsey]

I think its a number of things which are now piling up, the lack of money, the contract saga.

We are getting left behind at the moment because other teams are getting the investment needed and until we get that i continue to see us slide down the league.

 

[Bainsey]

I said "Not signing Cahill, Arteta, Lescott and Pienaar to long term contracts?" being hypothetical as in that the board wouldnt allow it when he asked. But they did, its what he wanted to strengthen the team so it happened.

And what could stop Vela coming if we went after him or someone like him as a 16 year, got in there before anyone else? Like a Ramsey or a Nasri (who Arsenal bought by the end of last year for less than our new boy)?




But they're my points. Its wrong to blame the board for the teams performance, I agree and that's what my post was about, sorry for confusion.

The second point is Moyes, even Wenger and Ferguson show that you dont have to spend £20-30million on players to get top draw talent sometimes.

Now, we all know top players cost that much and yeah we all want our club to be able to do that. But we could also have better players if we scouted more, kept our eyes out, maybe spent money on that side of the club more so "scraping the barrel" wouldnt be an issue. £15million could go along way in buying that youth, which maybe Moyes has done with Fellani, time will tell.

You say what has Vela done? He's what, 17-18? Arsenal bought him from pratically nowhere for 2million 2 seasons ago I think and there were spells in last nights game where he made the Porto defence look like sunday leaguers. Are people saying that it wouldnt be nice to have someone like that in our youth side? You can say "well even the youth only go to the big clubs" which is bollocks. At 16 they're a massive gamble and you either pay less or maybe more than usual but you take that risk, its all about if the club want them and getting them early.

Maybe I've been making a point off topic, it went off that way, and I've confused people. But the fact Moyes had £15million this year and spent it on one player. He could've spread it, took a bit of gamble, boosted the squad with fresh untapped talent. Now people are saying he could leave because those players HE'S bought aint up to scratch or working right at this moment in time. I thought Moyes was more than that. If he sees no future with the players he's got now, that he spent years building, and wants to walk, then [Poor language removed] him and its his own fault fo [Poor language removed] up and not trying hard enough when he had possibilities with his limited resources.

We bring through kids and im sure Moyes has plenty of faith in the young lads Rodwell and Baxter, some clubs have the money to spend on youth, the sad thing is any money we have at the moment we need to strengthen the first team rather then look elsewhere where as Arsenal already have good enough players to take the time and invest in kids.

 

[kenada_blue]

I think its a number of things which are now piling up, the lack of money, the contract saga.

We are getting left behind at the moment because other teams are getting the investment needed and until we get that i continue to see us slide down the league.

Then if he walks because of the board stuff, then fine. But this thread started because Cal said he'd walk if we got knocked out by the Belgien champions who almost knocked out Liverpool which most agree he wont do.

But he's gotta think -- the clubs at kind of a cross roads. Say if Moyes does leave next Monday, then funny enough we get bought out by a Billionaire on Friday. I think that's where we're at as club now. I dont believe for a second we wont be bought or Kenwright wont sell. Its at a point now that you need a millionaire owner to be in the League to compete so it will happen. When? Who knows. And I think Kenwright aint that thick not to sell up because he knows the club would dive out of the league.

So that's what Moyes has to think about. Does he really wanna stay at the club? If no, he'll have to go. But the clubs fortunes will change at some point -- does he want to slug it out and wait for it to happen or not?

But does Moyes have no faith in his players at the moment?