13 points out of 10 games

[mlyons]

A launchpad to what? Do you think any foreign investor is more likely to buy the team if we win the Capitol One Cup? Are Stones and Barkley more likely to stick around if we hoist a second-rate trophy in March but finish 12th or if we finish 5th without a trophy?

 

[Khalekan]

Right. Look at how well Wigan, Birmingham, and Portsmouth have kicked on since their cup wins!

So you put Everton in a category with Wigan, Brum and Pompey?

Three clubs which have spent my lifetime yo-yo ing up and down the divisions.

A sad day when Evertonians are afraid to compete to win a trophy lest we wind up like Wigan.

And a far cry from the days when Howard's struggling team in the winter of '83/4 used two cup finals as a springboard to even greater glory.

Know your history.

 

[mlyons]

So you put Everton in a category with Wigan, Brum and Pompey?

Three clubs which have spent my lifetime yo-yo ing up and down the divisions.

A sad day when Evertonians are afraid to compete to win a trophy lest we wind up like Wigan.

And a far cry from the days when Howard's struggling team in the winter of '83/4 used two cup finals as a springboard to even greater glory.

Know your history.

It's better than being afraid to compete in the league lest we wind up like Tottenham. Davek is saying we shouldn't try to compete in the league and concentrate on the cups instead.

 

[Saint Domingo]

So you put Everton in a category with Wigan, Brum and Pompey?

Three clubs which have spent my lifetime yo-yo ing up and down the divisions.

A sad day when Evertonians are afraid to compete to win a trophy lest we wind up like Wigan.

And a far cry from the days when Howard's struggling team in the winter of '83/4 used two cup finals as a springboard to even greater glory.

Know your history.

No ones saying we don't want a trophy, but why can't it be in conjunction with a decent league placing. Howard turned it around and the cup win was after half a season of improved form. This was then Bourne out the year after. If we stink in the league but scrape a cup the players know it will be a complete one off (still wouldn't complain mind) but if you win it and you're going well in the league then it can really take you places. I don't understand this 'let's just focus on one comp'. If you're playing well you'll do well in most comps. If you're a poor side it doesn't matter who you rest or what you prioritise you'll win nowt.

 

[Goat]

It's better than being afraid to compete in the league lest we wind up like Tottenham. Davek is saying we shouldn't try to compete in the league and concentrate on the cups instead.

Yeah but hes a moron, Premier League places, if nothing else, are worth around £2m each these days.

 

[Khalekan]

It's better than being afraid to compete in the league lest we wind up like Tottenham. Davek is saying we shouldn't try to compete in the league and concentrate on the cups instead.

I would very much doubt @davek would either say or think such a thing.

Competing in the league and competing in the cups are not mutually exclusive.

And I for one would accept a position one place above the relegation trap door and a Wembley cup success over a season like last where we avoided relegation comfortably, finished in a mind numblingly mid table position and exited both domestic cups at the first hurdle..

Would you not?

 

[Saint Domingo]

I would very much doubt @davek would either say or think such a thing.

Competing in the league and competing in the cups are not mutually exclusive.

And I for one would accept a position one place above the relegation trap door and a Wembley cup success over a season like last where we avoided relegation comfortably, finished in a mind numblingly mid table position and exited both domestic cups at the first hurdle..

Would you not?

Good in principle but that's about 15 mill in league prize money you're throwing away in comparison to coming 5th. Those two scenarios are Wiganesque. Scrape survival and nick a cup, or finish lower mid table. Last time I checked Martinez inherited a top 6 squad so why have we suddenly written off top 6 finishes?

 

[Khalekan]

No ones saying we don't want a trophy, but why can't it be in conjunction with a decent league place.

Precisely.

Too many people seem to be off the opinion that they are mutually exclusive.

They ain't.

And people on this forum need to leave that mindset behind.

 

[Khalekan]

Good in principle but that's about 15 mill in league prize money you're throwing away in comparison to coming 5th. Those two scenarios are Wiganesque. Scrape survival and nick a cup, or finish lower mid table. Last time I checked Martinez inherited a top 6 squad so why have we suddenly written off top 6 finishes?

Please......stop comparing Everton to Wigan.

 

[Goat]

First @davek is saying poor Martinez cant be expected to get a cup run and league placing while in the Europa, now hes saying he cant get a league placing and do well in the cups.

If the task of managing a Premiership Club is to much for him maybe he should move to Spain or something the utter clown.

 

[davek]

First @davek is saying poor Martinez cant be expected to get a cup run and league placing while in the Europa, now hes saying he cant get a league placing and do well in the cups.

If the task of managing a Premiership Club is to much for him maybe he should move to Spain or something the utter clown.

60 points would get a good league placing.

 

[mlyons]

I would very much doubt @davek would either say or think such a thing.

Competing in the league and competing in the cups are not mutually exclusive.

And I for one would accept a position one place above the relegation trap door and a Wembley cup success over a season like last where we avoided relegation comfortably, finished in a mind numblingly mid table position and exited both domestic cups at the first hurdle..

Would you not?

Let's face it: a top half of the table finish that goes hand in hand with a lengthy cup run is going to be satisfactory.

There's no chance of the CL spots even in our best season; the EL spots are a danger to our following season.

Just go for broke in the cups and maintain a creditable top half position. Job done until we get our takeover...IF we ever get our takeover.

Best of the rest isn't good enough, and never was. And the reality of it is that we end up with a fixture headache the following season.

Cup wins and/or a takeover are our only routes out of the situation we're in. Finishing between 5th and 7th with a nice pat on the head from the media is no consolation whatsoever. We've had that and look what it got us. Nothing.

 

[Lowste]

I know here is a mad idea

Let's try and do well in everything we are in - Prem and Cups

 

[Goat]

60 points would get a good league placing.

 

[Khalekan]

I know here is a mad idea

Let's try and do well in everything we are in - Prem and Cups

Heresy.

All FIFA and FM heads know that cannot be done