New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

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Tom Hughes said:
I'm not sure how you can be more "effective" than being entirely independent and underpinned by government legislation. If there are grievances they can be communicated via the FAB and/or the various individuals and groups represented on that board. Fans have more power than they think.... it's always been a matter of unity. When that's there, even whole boards can be deposed.
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I place FABs in the same category as Supporters Trusts: well meaning but bureaucratic and containable; led by a cadre of people with organisational skills that set them apart from most other fans and who end up propping up football clubs.

And if they weren't then government wouldn't have sanctioned them, because the football industry lobby are a powerful voice.

There's one thing football clubs fear: organic football supporters groups who coalesce around a single issue that's incendiary and that they're powerless to control...such as opposition to exploitative owners / owners that dont invest / clubs who sell grounds or try and force an unpopular move elsewhere. They fear the guerrilla tactics that those types of organisation can conduct.
 

davek said:
I place FABs in the same category as Supporters Trusts: well meaning but bureaucratic and containable; led by a cadre of people with organisational skills that set them apart from most other fans and who end up propping up football clubs.

And if they weren't then government wouldn't have sanctioned them, because the football industry lobby are a powerful voice.

There's one thing football clubs fear: organic football supporters groups who coalesce around a single issue that's incendiary and that they're powerless to control...such as opposition to exploitative owners / owners that dont invest / clubs who sell grounds or try and force an unpopular move elsewhere. They fear the guerrilla tactics that those types of organisation can conduct.
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Great post mate. 100%.

Staged managed, glove puppets. Token patseys created by the club, in the hope it will be taken serious in terms of fan engagement - that they care 0 for.

When i saw them on tour with the Club in the States a few years back and then that Moshiri interview, it was game over in terms of any credibility or gravitas.
 
Neiler said:
Great post mate. 100%.

Staged managed, glove puppets. Token patseys created by the club, in the hope it will be taken serious in terms of fan engagement - that they care 0 for.

When i saw them on tour with the Club in the States a few years back and then that Moshiri interview, it was game over in terms of any credibility or gravitas.
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Most of them aren't elected to FAB, they're representatives of the various societies - many of whom owe their space within club social policy to the club itself. I think two were elected to FAB who dont come with that sort of baggage.

I'm not attacking them. They're blues who want the best for Everton. However, they're completely useless in any attempt to tether the excesses of Everton's owners or the debt collectors for that stadium AKA Stadium Operations Team.
 


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