2025/26 David Moyes

[ToffeeScot]

I genuinely don't think they wanted to go through at first, i think they were writing the game off until it became evident they could win it and then they obviously wanted to do that. Regardless though, what people are complaining about is misplaced arrogance rather than just arrogance itself. If we'd made 7 changes and still won then our arrogance wouldn't have been misplaced, so nobody would care. Make the changes and lose and it's a different thing. It's a results business, that's always going to be the way you're judged.

Well you would do if you keep getting pumped every week wouldn't you?

Their changes were logical to make; ours were insane.

Couldn't care less about Wolves mate, only Everton. Our squad is nowhere near decent or big enough to have the luxury of doing that which is why we got battered in that first half. Starting a game against any PL team with the likes of Pickford, Grealish, Dewsbury, Ndiaye warming the bench is incompetent and arrogant. Get the job done first and then let them have a rest. Bringing them on after the damage is done is making the job twice as hard as it should have been. Confidence and momentum is all shot and you are playing catchup which tends to fail more than it succeeds.

It was really poor from Moyes.

It's all a narrative based on what happened though. The side put out had more than enough to win the game and players who should be doing better like McNeil seriously underperformed. I expect Moyes is as annoyed and disappointed as we all are at losing because he's probably now realised that he can't rely on some of the more senior pros that came in last night to step up and do the job when it matters.

I don't understand the point about not being decent or big enough when we review players that came in for us last night - Dibling was one of the highest rated young talents in England last season, McNeil and Alcaraz were both good performers last season and we played 3 of 4 of our best defence available defence currently with Garner in his natural position. I feel like because we lost people are swinging far too much in the direction of us putting out a team that was on par with an U-21 side when that's just not the case at all.

What I would agree with is that he needed to be smarter with some of the changes. I think if he's going to play Dibling/Alcaraz/McNeil then he needs to start Beto instead of Barry as Barry needs the more experienced players of Grealish and Ndiaye to help him out a bit more. If he's going to start McNeil then he needs to start a natural LB like Myko to help rather than Coleman out there or he needs to start Aznou who can bomb up and down the wing. Slight tweaks to the side but I don't think it was an arrogant or incompetent selection. He's been let down hugely by some players last night who should be doing better, aswell as perhaps getting one or two things wrong himself.

 

[willo30]

Putting Moyes in charge of this new look Everton Football Club was like handing him the turntable of an Ibiza dance party - and he plays Perry Como and Bing Crosby all night.

What if that was all he was given to play? Would it be his fault?
Not getting him another striker was criminal. That is going to be our downfall this season.

 

[barneygumble]

My worry is - admittedly, its scarring from Blue Bill era - we've torn down the structure and rebuilt it exactly how Moyes wanted it.

Everything to Moyes tastes. So if it does go south (and i am far from panicking), I hope the club are already monitoring managers who will fit the scope of how we need to he going forward.

Lots of positives off the pitch. The season is still a positive start IF we win on Monday, if not, its has became a poor start and all the positive energy hss evaporated.

Coleman at Left Back, honestly.

 

[Lanolin]

It's all a narrative based on what happened though. The side put out had more than enough to win the game and players who should be doing better like McNeil seriously underperformed. I expect Moyes is as annoyed and disappointed as we all are at losing because he's probably now realised that he can't rely on some of the more senior pros that came in last night to step up and do the job when it matters.

I don't understand the point about not being decent or big enough when we review players that came in for us last night - Dibling was one of the highest rated young talents in England last season, McNeil and Alcaraz were both good performers last season and we played 3 of 4 of our best defence available defence currently with Garner in his natural position. I feel like because we lost people are swinging far too much in the direction of us putting out a team that was on par with an U-21 side when that's just not the case at all.

What I would agree with is that he needed to be smarter with some of the changes. I think if he's going to play Dibling/Alcaraz/McNeil then he needs to start Beto instead of Barry as Barry needs the more experienced players of Grealish and Ndiaye to help him out a bit more. If he's going to start McNeil then he needs to start a natural LB like Myko to help rather than Coleman out there or he needs to start Aznou who can bomb up and down the wing. Slight tweaks to the side but I don't think it was an arrogant or incompetent selection. He's been let down hugely by some players last night who should be doing better, aswell as perhaps getting one or two things wrong himself.

I literally covered that in my post. Of course it is, it always will be. If we put out a team of under 18s on monday and win then we'll say wow that was brave but an absolute masterstroke, if we do it and get beat 9-0 we'll say it was utter madness. This isn't surprising in any way and pretending it is is a bit odd.

 

[ToffeeScot]

I literally covered that in my post. Of course it is, it always will be. If we put out a team of under 18s on monday and win then we'll say wow that was brave but an absolute masterstroke, if we do it and get beat 9-0 we'll say it was utter madness. This isn't surprising in any way and pretending it is is a bit odd.

Yeah, I'm qualifying that for the other posts. I personally don't see last nights team selection as arrogance given the expectant quality of the players that came in. They weren't U-21 fodder.

 

[John from Bootle]

I literally covered that in my post. Of course it is, it always will be. If we put out a team of under 18s on monday and win then we'll say wow that was brave but an absolute masterstroke, if we do it and get beat 9-0 we'll say it was utter madness. This isn't surprising in any way and pretending it is is a bit odd.

Yeah, it's like the people who seem to think that every single time we lose, if we'd have set up how they think we should have done, then we definitely wouldn't have lost. It's the easiest gig in the world that. It's easy saying we wouldn't have lost a game if we'd have done x,y & z, because we will never know if that claim is actually true. Doesn't stop people acting like it's absolutely true though.

 

[Furey1878]

Woke up fuming about this, still. You'd just think after all these years for both himself and the club, he'd just want to take the cups seriously and see out the remaining years of his career on a high. I wasn't too fussed about the cup last season, we were rubbish and went out to Bournemouth's best ever side. But bottom of the league Wolves, who can barely even imagine what a goal looks like...

 

[davek]

It's all a narrative based on what happened though. The side put out had more than enough to win the game and players who should be doing better like McNeil seriously underperformed. I expect Moyes is as annoyed and disappointed as we all are at losing because he's probably now realised that he can't rely on some of the more senior pros that came in last night to step up and do the job when it matters.

I don't understand the point about not being decent or big enough when we review players that came in for us last night - Dibling was one of the highest rated young talents in England last season, McNeil and Alcaraz were both good performers last season and we played 3 of 4 of our best defence available defence currently with Garner in his natural position. I feel like because we lost people are swinging far too much in the direction of us putting out a team that was on par with an U-21 side when that's just not the case at all.

What I would agree with is that he needed to be smarter with some of the changes. I think if he's going to play Dibling/Alcaraz/McNeil then he needs to start Beto instead of Barry as Barry needs the more experienced players of Grealish and Ndiaye to help him out a bit more. If he's going to start McNeil then he needs to start a natural LB like Myko to help rather than Coleman out there or he needs to start Aznou who can bomb up and down the wing. Slight tweaks to the side but I don't think it was an arrogant or incompetent selection. He's been let down hugely by some players last night who should be doing better, aswell as perhaps getting one or two things wrong himself.

Your last paragraph sort of contradicted the other two.

There's no excuse for not putting out the team that beat Wolves at that ground 3 weeks ago.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Yeah, I'm qualifying that for the other posts. I personally don't see last nights team selection as arrogance given the expectant quality of the players that came in. They weren't U-21 fodder.

He could have made 2-3 changes, but never 7. Destroyed any balance, too many players unfamiliar - especially when you're lashing the likes of Coleman left back.

Ultimately, the manager chose to field a significantly weakened team, away to a Premier League team. They were on their arse an we give them every opportunity to find their feet.

30+ years now, we absolutely can't be doing that - especially this season when we're mid table, and half the league are in Europe.

 

[davek]

What if that was all he was given to play? Would it be his fault?
Not getting him another striker was criminal. That is going to be our downfall this season.

He wasn't though: he was handed a team that beat Wolves comfortably enough 3 weeks ago.

His choice was NOT to play them.

 

[Lanolin]

Yeah, I'm qualifying that for the other posts. I personally don't see last nights team selection as arrogance given the expectant quality of the players that came in. They weren't U-21 fodder.

No they weren't, and I said last night that Moyes should have got better performances out of what was out there too. It was too many changes for me though, I advocated making changes before the game but I didn't think he'd change the entire attacking unit and play Coleman at left back. It's not just the quality of the players either, it's the effect that that many changes has on chemistry and style of play, and can lead to too many players playing for themselves to try and impress instead of just fitting in to the structure you've set up. The team looked like a collection of individuals with no real idea of how they were supposed to be playing, I'm not sure that's a coincidence.

 

[ToffeeScot]

No they weren't, and I said last night that Moyes should have got better performances out of what was out there too. It was too many changes for me though, I advocated making changes before the game but I didn't think he'd change the entire attacking unit and play Coleman at left back. It's not just the quality of the players either, it's the effect that that many changes has on chemistry and style of play, and can lead to too many players playing for themselves to try and impress instead of just fitting in to the structure you've set up. The team looked like a collection of individuals with no real idea of how they were supposed to be playing, I'm not sure that's a coincidence.

That for me comes down to poor coaching in training rather than team selection which is a different direction we can level our frustration at Moyes in.

 

[matty1878]

I have only seen 2 people saying that, if that's enough to get your back up then maybe you need to take a chill pill or just put those people on ignore for a bit. I freely admit I'm not Moyes biggest fan but when it comes to changing managers that's a summer thing for me, you should only do it mid season if the team is in real trouble which we are not. People are entitled too their opinion don't forget, there is a bit of a culture on here of forcing people to like the manager/certain players which is weird imo. Just scroll past those posts mate.

it’s everyone’s choice to have your own opinion but some was ridiculous

 

[ToffeeTim]

Yeah, it's like the people who seem to think that every single time we lose, if we'd have set up how they think we should have done, then we definitely wouldn't have lost. It's the easiest gig in the world that. It's easy saying we wouldn't have lost a game if we'd have done x,y & z, because we will never know if that claim is actually true. Doesn't stop people acting like it's absolutely true though.

This wasn't set up or tactics though. This was the manager leaving out all of our best players. I dont see the fact that reduces our chances of winning as something that is debatable.

Myself and lots of others said we had little chance of winning as soon as we saw the team. So it's not hindsight either. That many changes with all the best players on the bench meant we were highly unlikely to win.

 

[davek]

Woke up fuming about this, still. You'd just think after all these years for both himself and the club, he'd just want to take the cups seriously and see out the remaining years of his career on a high. I wasn't too fussed about the cup last season, we were rubbish and went out to Bournemouth's best ever side. But bottom of the league Wolves, who can barely even imagine what a goal looks like...

Exactly. Circumstances in the last few seasons were dramatically different. We were trying to survive and the LC especially was a dangerous distraction given injuries etc.

That scenario doesn't exist anymore. But Moyes chose to show he's in charge and he'll play whatever way he sees fit even if it's illogical.

He underlined again last night how little football intelligence he has.