We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

[allen]

He's been there over 8 years now mate. The chaos has only been upward.

Premier League, Wembley, Europe. He's delivered pipe dream stuff for them.

I wouldn't have hired Postecoglou either. But I wouldn't have hired Cooper. Or Nuno Santo.

But as I say, most take the piss at the loon, I did at one time but now, you have to acknowledge the direction of travel under that club under him.

I won't deny it's worked to get them where they are - but it's easier to rise to European positions in the Premier League than it is to stay there.

Sustained success in the Premier League is incredibly difficult. Really, only six clubs have managed it - and half of those have faltered lately.

I also won't deny that I don't want this kind of insane, trigger-happy, huge-spending ownership to be successful. So there's certainly a degree of wanting it to fail.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I won't deny it's worked to get them where they are - but it's easier to rise to European positions in the Premier League than it is to stay there.

Sustained success in the Premier League is incredibly difficult. Really, only six clubs have managed it - and half of those have faltered lately.

I also won't deny that I don't want this kind of insane, trigger-happy, huge-spending ownership to be successful. So there's certainly a degree of wanting it to fail.

So now the yardstick is top six?

Bloody hell, I'm sure they would have took that when he rocked up.

 

[Walken]

So... what? Yo can't assess where a football club is under an owner after 8 years?

The story does indeed continue. As it always does.

But the fact remains - under Marinakis, Nottingham Forest are a Premier League Club, currently playing European Football.

I've got a bad back and greys coming through, and without question, Forest are at their best now in my lifetime.

They undoubtedly owe their owner for that.

There's the context - if you want to argue with it, provide your own context.

They've just hired a DoF who was chased out of Arsenal for his uncomforatble ties with Joorabchian who is a known swindler.

Fired the manager who took them there.

Hired a manager who took spurs to their worst prem finish and has only succeeded in joke leagues.

Managed the club to PSR failures that they were lucky to survive.

Runs on the pitch and assaults his manager in front of millions, terrible optics

Has been implicated in match fixing scandals

Has been implicated in drug trafficking and all kinds of other stuff.

Hired mark clattenburg.

You can obviously assess him after 8 years, just a little more honesty would make for a better assessment and I am more than happy to bookmark this and play the long game on this one. Forest getting into the conference cup is no more an indication of his good ownership than Everton getting into the champs league was of kenwrights. Had bill sacked Moyes a few months after and hired Harold Bishop I doubt there would be much argument for him as an owner.

 

[COYBL25]

To add, their game prior to him taking over - Forest needed a win on the final day - they won 3-0, to avoid relegation on goal difference to League One.

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You'd be hard pushed to name a club in English football with as much tangible progress in the near decade under Marinakis.

^ There's the context.

I can only think of Wrexham tbh and they`ve been bankrolled by Ryan Reynolds.

 

[raiseyoureyebrow4thewin!]

He's been there over 8 years now mate. The chaos has only been upward.

Premier League, Wembley, Europe. He's delivered pipe dream stuff for them.

I wouldn't have hired Postecoglou either. But I wouldn't have hired Cooper. Or Nuno Santo.

But as I say, most take the piss at the loon, I did at one time but now, you have to acknowledge the direction of travel under that club under him.



As I say mate, over 8 years he's been there.

It's already 'worked' in that Forest are at their best since the 80s - he's achieved more than anyone could have expected.

v objective and sensible post in the cold light of day
hate to agree, yet I will after I have overcome my personal dislike for the greek mafia boss.

results are what matter. and the likes of wrexham must be hoping to do a forest.

would he have done a better job than moshiri...
nobody knows, but all I know is that Murillo is no van de ven and I am looking forward to seeing how this forest squad used to a low block counter attacking game adjust to Angeball

 

[Walken]

I can only think of Wrexham tbh and they`ve been bankrolled by Ryan Reynolds.

Sunderland did very similar when Keane took over.

That story had a really happy ending......

Context

 

[GrandOldTeam]

They've just hired a DoF who was chased out of Arsenal for his uncomforatble ties with Joorabchian who is a known swindler.

Fired the manager who took them there.

Hired a manager who took spurs to their worst prem finish and has only succeeded in joke leagues.

Managed the club to PSR failures that they were lucky to survive.

Runs on the pitch and assaults his manager in front of millions, terrible optics

Has been implicated in match fixing scandals

Has been implicated in drug trafficking and all kinds of other stuff.

Hired mark clattenburg.

You can obviously assess him after 8 years, just a little more honesty would make for a better assessment and I am more than happy to bookmark this and play the long game on this one. Forest getting into the conference cup is no more an indication of his good ownership than Everton getting into the champs league was of kenwrights. Had bill sacked Moyes a few months after and hired Harold Bishop I doubt there would be much argument for him as an owner.

Here's the thing...

He's already won the long game mate.

They could go down this season, and he's still achieved more than anyone could have dreamt at that club.

Every single point you've made there, is trumped by their position compared to when he tookover.

 

[BainesontoastNEW]

When Marinakis reincarnates Brian Clough from the dead, I'll talk positively about him.

 

[allen]

So now the yardstick is top six?

Bloody hell, I'm sure they would have took that when he rocked up.

Well, no.

I'm talking about Marinakis' expectations for them.

That's where he wants them, and managers not achieving that will be given short shrift.

 

[Alan Whittle]

He’s a lovely fella. Football needs more owners like him.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

v objective and sensible post in the cold light of day
hate to agree, yet I will after I have overcome my personal dislike for the greek mafia boss.

results are what matter. and the likes of wrexham must be hoping to do a forest.

would he have done a better job than moshiri...
nobody knows, but all I know is that Murillo is no van de ven and I am looking forward to seeing how this forest squad used to a low block counter attacking game adjust to Angeball

People don't like him, and their approach. Which I get, I don't either. Things like social media posts after our match - toe curling.

But you don't have to like him, to acknowledge what he's done.

But to be fair in any critique, you have to acknowledge all points and whatever way it's spun, after 8 years he's progressed Nottingham Forest more, IMO, than any other club in English football.

A lot don't seem to grasp how long he's been there, or where Forest was before him.

People say things like he sacks people all the time - Everton have had more managers than Forest since he's been there

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Well, no.

I'm talking about Marinakis' expectations for them.

That's where he wants them, and managers not achieving that will be given short shrift.

Not sure this is true?

He's sacking managers for not achieving top six? When did that happen?

 

[allen]

Not sure this is true?

He's sacking managers for not achieving top six? When did that happen?

You don't think he'd class 9th this season, say, as failure?

I can't see a world in which he says "cool - there's always next season."

 

[Walken]

Here's the thing...

He's already won the long game mate.

They could go down this season, and he's still achieved more than anyone could have dreamt at that club.

Every single point you've made there, is trumped by their position compared to when he tookover.

That's a matter of perspective, we aren't talking about a Leicester or a Blackburn here, when it goes tit's up he can point to that glorious 7th place finish if he likes, he might just hear you applauding at the back.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You don't think he'd class 9th this season, say, as failure?

I can't see a world in which he says "cool - there's always next season."

I haven't got a clue what he'd consider this season to be success.

But he certainly hasn't sacked any manager in the Prem for not achieving Europe. He hasn't sacked as many managers as you think he has. They've had less managers than the Premier League average in his time there.

But to step back, your point was;

Some clubs ride chaos to continued success (Chelsea under Abramovich), but most collapse under it.

I think the odds are against this approach being a sustained success for Marinakis.

It might be a bit lazy on my part, but it really seems like he's looked at Ange, thought "there's a guy I can get along with," and hired him.

I honestly can't see this appointment being anything other than a disaster.

... I'm not sure you knew he'd been there as long as he has, nor the progress of the club in that time.

In my view, he's delivered sustained success already - approaching a decade and Forest will be in a much better place than he inherited.