Future recruitment team & strategy

[Zatara]

Fully expect to see more trading activity next summer, with sales funding further squad building. They have 12 months to work toward this and it will be interesting to see what they do. Judgement starts next window for me

Pretty much. Hard to fit the pieces together when the only defensive minded player weve signed is Aznou.

There will have to be another clearing of the decks with squad players having another year of their book value off and sales going towards PSR (or whatever new rules their may be).

Then a total defensive rebuild.

There's no way the gardening leave duo weren't involved.

You would expect that to be the case.

Interesting this...which means he would have been a Thelwell & Purdy recruitment.

Interesting that we've followed up our interest even after they've left.

The team that was working below Purdy are largely still all intact, so the work on targets etc that was done under Purdy and Thelwell is all still our intellectual property

It shouldn't be any surprise that we've gone after targets that we've been monitoring for some time.

Aznou and Barry have been on our radar for longer than Moyes has been back here.

We've employed a new data specialist, which is great, but that won't be solely used for recruitment. I'd expect that will help us with our own player development and performance analysis as well.

We might see a change of approach etc under the new recruitment management, but I think it's worth pointing out that the previous team had identified lots of good players, they just rarely had the money to get them.

Quite odd that Moyes made a point of saying that he wanted "robust" players who can play every week.

Then we hear about the likes of Ake and Chilwell being approached. Not to mention Merlin Rohl who has had multiple layoffs.

Is this the City or the previous regime's positive reports or down to Moyes?

Peculiar.

Also if weve been watching Rohl for a year (?) Diblings dad said the first interest was 3 weeks prior to the bid.

As far as I remember earlier in the summer I'm sure I read that Moyes was reviewing the list of targets that Thelwell had left.

That will be normal and even more so as they were together just under half a season. Would expect Thelwell, Purdy & the City guy would have documents with Moyes as well as new info from the team that remained in place.

Next summer we'll have a defence that probably will need 4+ players added and perhaps a defensive midfielder.

With the signings this summer, a little surprising if we got in the United & City guys that weve not seen anyone outside of the box aside from Aznou.

 

[PhilM]

There's a difference between buying an analytics company and founding one. They'll get a lot of data, but will they know what to do with it?

If you know the story of Tony Bloom and Jamestown Analytics, the data Brighton utilise feeds directly from his gambling industry and their data.

Some of the key individuals behind the company, such as a gentleman called Justin Said, came from Bloom's gambling industry.

They are at a real advantage because a) they have a huge source of data at their disposal, and b) vast experience utilising it, within football.

Other clubs are at a disadvantage because they don't have the wealth of data, or would need to purchase it - who do they get it from? Think above!

Nor do they have the experience or modelling that Bloom has at his disposal. This allows Brighton to, in essence, speculate to accumulate.

If they buy 5 players at £2-6m each, the total cost may be £30m before wages, which are not huge in themselves, so with amortisation it's minimal.

If all five flop, they will have some resale value, so the loss is not major. Yet if one of those players succeeds, the profit can be huge.

Look at the likes of Caicedo or McAllister. This allows them to fund more expensive players, but again they focus on resale value there - Pedro etc.

It's this model that sustains them as a club.

 

[Jay]

 

[Billy Dean]

Brighton is Brighton.
Brighton's strategy can never be Evertons, Everton's strategy should realistically be (now BK has gone) about how to get back to winning stuff. That is not Brighton.
Everton should see itself arriving at the point, and beyond, where a 17yr old Rooney wants to stay and win and where a Richarlison doesnt become a bail out.

When Everton finally wins again I really hope we are saying it started with the signings and keeping of the likes of Pickford and Branthwaite. Ie we were able to keep our best players (and when they do leave it's not the sky 6 they go to).

I agree with the stuff about Brighton. Always makes me laugh how people moan about them. By PL standards they're a very small club, so for them staying sustainable, flipping players at increased value and staying in the league is a good strategy. And you're right, we're a much bugger club than them and should be aiming for more.

 

[Billy Dean]

If you know the story of Tony Bloom and Jamestown Analytics, the data Brighton utilise feeds directly from his gambling industry and their data.

Some of the key individuals behind the company, such as a gentleman called Justin Said, came from Bloom's gambling industry.

They are at a real advantage because a) they have a huge source of data at their disposal, and b) vast experience utilising it, within football.

Other clubs are at a disadvantage because they don't have the wealth of data, or would need to purchase it - who do they get it from? Think above!

Nor do they have the experience or modelling that Bloom has at his disposal. This allows Brighton to, in essence, speculate to accumulate.

If they buy 5 players at £2-6m each, the total cost may be £30m before wages, which are not huge in themselves, so with amortisation it's minimal.

If all five flop, they will have some resale value, so the loss is not major. Yet if one of those players succeeds, the profit can be huge.

Look at the likes of Caicedo or McAllister. This allows them to fund more expensive players, but again they focus on resale value there - Pedro etc.

It's this model that sustains them as a club.

That's right, looking at their transfers this year, they sold a couple of players at a small loss but made a 45 million profit on the sales of Joao Pedro and Adingra alone.

 

[Blue Roo]

This is also pie in the sky stuff though. It’s not reality.

Not really.
The comparison is fair. Brighton is a stepping stone for players and its a win win for the them. Full of admiration for the club that they manage to do what they do.

Everton is a different species.
Yes since the PL the club appears more David than Goliath. The money and power 'relegated' the club, but has stood resolute in not being relegated. Every other club has been relegated, that wasn't 'promoted'. That speaks to a lot about the character of the club and it's people, that comtinues to resonate through the ages.
And that with all the mismanagement and corruption.

Unlike Brighton Everton needs to recruit and keep it's best players. And with the 'Evertonians' having another iconic place to call home, Everton becomes more than a difficult place to come, a difficult team to beat, once again.

Realities change. The game's rigged but its still a game, which Everton can overcome. If the club is within striking distance of a trophy I get the feeling it'll be taken - roars across the Mersey while toys are being thrown out of the pram across the park.

Maybe the metaphor is not 'pie in the sky', it's thank god we are moving on from those god awful pies.

 

[Neiler]

Id argue all but Grealish and KDH - were brought in and invested in for the here and now and everyone else with an eye on the future and future resale.

Overall though people are often quick just to accept that model of buy young pocket the resale as the right model when there are clear and beneficial exceptions: Grealish i find an interesting one, we have a £50 mill option - be interesting to see what impact he has on the pitch and commercially and how much that makes sense to keep him as a revenue generator, reputation mender and profile enabler.

We've already pulled a few prime time spots for TV and i see our League cup game has been chosen to be televised and the Palace game as well that will be 3/4 games in recent weeks - people want to see Grealish. He instantly makes us more marketable.

Secondly the short sales must be a huge money spinner the amount of kinds and people ive seen with Grealish shirts since he signed is incredible.

Lastly what he enables on the pitch, at 3 million a place in the league if we were to be half, or Europe you are looking at a lump of close to £15 mill - £20 mill a season.

Collectively be interesting to see if all of the above annually would prove a decent investment at £50 mill.

I know people baulk at over 30's but in certain cases their is a reputational, marketing and commercial benefit often not acknowledged. In our position we are in need of repairing all of the reputational, marketing and commercial sustained in recent seasons.

 

[Blue peter]

Brighton is Brighton.
Brighton's strategy can never be Evertons, Everton's strategy should realistically be (now BK has gone) about how to get back to winning stuff. That is not Brighton.
Everton should see itself arriving at the point, and beyond, where a 17yr old Rooney wants to stay and win and where a Richarlison doesnt become a bail out.

When Everton finally wins again I really hope we are saying it started with the signings and keeping of the likes of Pickford and Branthwaite. Ie we were able to keep our best players (and when they do leave it's not the sky 6 they go to).

There’s levels though to getting back to winning stuff isn’t there?

Brightons data led approach, to recruit players with greater market value potential if developed correctly is a good path for us to follow at least in the short term / interim, until we are firmly in the European places season after season and then it should still represent a minority % of our business. If we get that part correct then yes we should be able to push on.

I think we as a club are dragged back with our self perception given our history. Once domestic and global tv income become the dominant factor in most clubs revenue (with the exception of just a handful of clubs) it evened the playing field for a lot of the smaller clubs. As long as they had a good season in the PL they could outstrip our revenue of we did not perform and because we have been woeful in our commercial and footballing decisions for a generation, we are seen a no different to them. The new stadium gives us a chance of build again and we should all be cautiously optimistic, but we need to make the correct short term decisions to enable us to do that.

 

[Simon Buttle]

If you know the story of Tony Bloom and Jamestown Analytics, the data Brighton utilise feeds directly from his gambling industry and their data.

Some of the key individuals behind the company, such as a gentleman called Justin Said, came from Bloom's gambling industry.

They are at a real advantage because a) they have a huge source of data at their disposal, and b) vast experience utilising it, within football.

Other clubs are at a disadvantage because they don't have the wealth of data, or would need to purchase it - who do they get it from? Think above!

Nor do they have the experience or modelling that Bloom has at his disposal. This allows Brighton to, in essence, speculate to accumulate.

If they buy 5 players at £2-6m each, the total cost may be £30m before wages, which are not huge in themselves, so with amortisation it's minimal.

If all five flop, they will have some resale value, so the loss is not major. Yet if one of those players succeeds, the profit can be huge.

Look at the likes of Caicedo or McAllister. This allows them to fund more expensive players, but again they focus on resale value there - Pedro etc.

It's this model that sustains them as a club.

Starlizard is the parent company, ie the data gatherer, the information consumer, they have something like 100 people sat in an office watching every professional match in every professional league in every country every week gathering information. Jamestown is a sub company that primarily focuses in all aspects of recruitment (staff and players) in football and cricket.

 

[Blue Roo]

There’s levels though to getting back to winning stuff isn’t there?

Brightons data led approach, to recruit players with greater market value potential if developed correctly is a good path for us to follow at least in the short term / interim, until we are firmly in the European places season after season and then it should still represent a minority % of our business. If we get that part correct then yes we should be able to push on.

I think we as a club are dragged back with our self perception given our history. Once domestic and global tv income become the dominant factor in most clubs revenue (with the exception of just a handful of clubs) it evened the playing field for a lot of the smaller clubs. As long as they had a good season in the PL they could outstrip our revenue of we did not perform and because we have been woeful in our commercial and footballing decisions for a generation, we are seen a no different to them. The new stadium gives us a chance of build again and we should all be cautiously optimistic, but we need to make the correct short term decisions to enable us to do that.

I don't think the goal should be to consistently be in Europe. It's a rock clubs can perish on by blowing their load and making desperate decisions to sustain.
Europe will come, and go, and come again.

Leceister and West Ham have both won trophies, but even then diff circumstances and I'd take that over perpetual 5th and 6ths, which itself is not a reality unless your one of the favourites.

In the end it's about building a great team and riding your luck and support that backs and carrys the team. There are many more teams that have blown that chance than made a good shot at it.

Brighton do things we can do I wouldn't think a good idea as a whole approach. Besides many will roll the dice and be trying to do the same thing. Everton, at least for me, has things that stand it apart - things that put in good stead next time we're in striking distance.
And we may not be far off. We have the bones of a very good team.

 

[Igrok]

We’re not running the same strategy as Brighton and Bournemouth. If we were we would have sold Ndiaye for 40 mill this summer to Milan. We wouldn’t have loaned Grealish. We would have sold Branthwaite the season before to United. Pickford wouldn’t be here anymore. We wouldn’t have bought KDH. The younger players like Dibling, Alcaraz, Merlin, Aznou, Barry, OBrien would all already be eyeing up an exit strategy for the end of the season and would have joined under the premise that we wouldn’t stop them.

Every club, agent, and player in the market would know that we are buying solely to increase the value of the player to put them in the shop window for another club.

We’re trying to sell a project to players to join us long term and try and get us into Europe and then push further. Yes there might be sales but they’ll be at a minimum and hopefully after the player has given us good service. We’ll then be looking for a long term replacement.

I know we’ve had a busy window this time round but I can barely tell you who plays for Bournemouth or Brighton because they change their 11 nearly every season. It’s not the model for us. We need to buy and sell better of course but we can’t just be a player flipper or feeder team for the top clubs which is what they’ve become.

It’s all good..but how to sell a project without the start date?

 

[argietoffee]

thanks for sharing that.

Super video

 

[TheBigIguana]

Not really.
The comparison is fair. Brighton is a stepping stone for players and its a win win for the them. Full of admiration for the club that they manage to do what they do.

Everton is a different species.
Yes since the PL the club appears more David than Goliath. The money and power 'relegated' the club, but has stood resolute in not being relegated. Every other club has been relegated, that wasn't 'promoted'. That speaks to a lot about the character of the club and it's people, that comtinues to resonate through the ages.
And that with all the mismanagement and corruption.

Unlike Brighton Everton needs to recruit and keep it's best players. And with the 'Evertonians' having another iconic place to call home, Everton becomes more than a difficult place to come, a difficult team to beat, once again.

Realities change. The game's rigged but its still a game, which Everton can overcome. If the club is within striking distance of a trophy I get the feeling it'll be taken - roars across the Mersey while toys are being thrown out of the pram across the park.

Maybe the metaphor is not 'pie in the sky', it's thank god we are moving on from those god awful pies.

None of this happens because you say it. We have to do a lot of things to get to this place. Maybe it isn’t Brighton where we exist to sell, but maybe it’s Brentford who kept the core for awhile and saw it all disappear. We might be that if we aren’t careful and don’t accept the reality that players are going to come and go for a bit yet.

The key to having a good strategy is being realistic about where you currently are and what step you’re on. Posts like yours want to skip from step three or four or whatever we’re at straight to step 52. We’ve got a lot of work to do.

 

[W84 Dum Freeze]

There's no way the gardening leave duo weren't involved.

Yeah,
Operation Market
Garden

 

[Blue Roo]

None of this happens because you say it. We have to do a lot of things to get to this place. Maybe it isn’t Brighton where we exist to sell, but maybe it’s Brentford who kept the core for awhile and saw it all disappear. We might be that if we aren’t careful and don’t accept the reality that players are going to come and go for a bit yet.

The key to having a good strategy is being realistic about where you currently are and what step you’re on. Posts like yours want to skip from step three or four or whatever we’re at straight to step 52. We’ve got a lot of work to do.

Agree 100%.
Cept that I think we're further down that road than your saying and have learnt lessons (hopefully) about the pitfalls you've mentioned