Ref analysis of Tarkowski handball.

Kevsleftpeg said:
Why would anyone deliberately handle the ball unless it’s to stop a certain goal? It’s clearly unintentional. The number of intentional handballs is vanishingly small. So they we get into the nonsense territory of recklessness/body shape/natural position.
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I think you’re looking at it as it’s only deliberated if he knocks the ball down like it’s volleyball and that’s not how referees do
 

TheBigIguana said:
I mean that video shows four referees all agreeing that he's handled the ball deliberately. They felt in real time and on replay that it was an intentional playing of the ball and as such he can't use his arm, period.

I know we all disagree, but that's all there really is to it. And yes there will be other similar decisions where the referees decide it wasn't deliberate and yes you know which clubs will benefit from those. But it is probably time to move on.

And also stop playing Tarkowski because he's going to do this nonsense again.
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My question is: if they think he deliberately handled the ball to prevent a goal in his own area then why wasn’t he sent off?
 
MisterJ said:
That's fine, if they say that's a penalty then we all know where we stand and we can all look forward to it being applied consistently going forward

Oh wait, didn't a Liverpool defender do exactly the same in the game v Arsenal and it wasn't given?
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Correct; little runt Neville gave a long explanation to try to convince everybody why it was not a penalty.
 
What ever happened to the rule ball to hand ? it was certainly a rule when I played the game at youth level in a league - yu would ask for a pen to the referee - he would snap Ball to hand - play on .....
 

TheBigIguana said:
I think you’re looking at it as it’s only deliberated if he knocks the ball down like it’s volleyball and that’s not how referees do
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😂 No I'm not. I don't know any other meaning of the verb deliberate. It means doing something intentionally or on purpose as opposed to accidentally or involuntarily. Most handballs in the penalty area aren't deliberate within the normal meaning of that word. Why do we need to change the meaning of every day words to make the refs (and your) interpretation of the rules make sense.
 
Game's over...this club's been stuck in the past long enough.


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Hmm, deja vu..think I've said this before, unsurprisingly.
 
Lob said:
You could hear their excitement right from the off, was never going to be anything but a penalty. They were orgasmic over it and any common sense was left on the doorstep. I would love to find the person that can deliberately lean into a deflected ball with a 0.001 response time. You would have to be a marvel character. Worse still their chief agrees with it. Honestly, when you see something like that it shows just how goosed from top to bottom officiating is in this country.
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Howard Webb is a moron and still has the attitude of a small town copper. It's what happens when the refereeing industry is dominated by self-assured dimwits.
 

Kevsleftpeg said:
😂 No I'm not. I don't know any other meaning of the verb deliberate. It means doing something intentionally or on purpose as opposed to accidentally or involuntarily. Most handballs in the penalty area aren't deliberate within the normal meaning of that word. Why do we need to change the meaning of every day words to make the refs (and your) interpretation of the rules make sense.
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It’s two questions: did he deliberately play the ball? Did he play it with his arm?

It’s not did he deliberately play it with his arm?
 
TheBigIguana said:
It’s two questions: did he deliberately play the ball? Did he play it with his arm?

It’s not did he deliberately play it with his arm?
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It is an offence if a player:
  • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
  • touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
That's not what the law says as stated above. You've just made that up.
 
Kevsleftpeg said:
It is an offence if a player:
  • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
  • touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
That's not what the law says as stated above. You've just made that up.
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I mean that’s the way I see refs talk about it, but whatever, it’s very easy to just say he used his arm on purpose which I genuinely believe is true and every ref seems to believe as well. He got caught out and used his arm. Simple as.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I mean that’s the way I see refs talk about it, but whatever, it’s very easy to just say he used his arm on purpose which I genuinely believe is true and every ref seems to believe as well. He got caught out and used his arm. Simple as.
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Why on earth would he use his arm on purpose to block a shot that had little chance of going in knowing that the consequence was an almost certain goal from a penalty? Have you played football? If the ball is kicked at you it's very hard to get out of the way of.
 

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