Ref analysis of Tarkowski handball.

TheBigIguana said:
I mean that video shows four referees all agreeing that he's handled the ball deliberately. They felt in real time and on replay that it was an intentional playing of the ball and as such he can't use his arm, period.

I know we all disagree, but that's all there really is to it. And yes there will be other similar decisions where the referees decide it wasn't deliberate and yes you know which clubs will benefit from those. But it is probably time to move on.

And also stop playing Tarkowski because he's going to do this nonsense again.
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The nonsense here being to block a shot while trying as best as possible to do it without his arms, but because his arms are tucked in front of him to stop them being in an "unnatural position" become unnatural because nobody naturally tucks their arms across themselves when putting their body in the way of a shot.

It's a stupid rule which is wide open for these idiots to justify whatever position they think best justifys horrendous collective decision making.
 

Jebus_lives said:
The nonsense here being to block a shot while trying as best as possible to do it without his arms, but because his arms are tucked in front of him to stop them being in an "unnatural position" become unnatural because nobody naturally tucks their arms across themselves when putting their body in the way of a shot.

It's a stupid rule which is wide open for these idiots to justify whatever position they think best justifys horrendous collective decision making.
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It’s not about the natural position! There are two rules, one position matters, one it doesn’t. This is the one it doesn’t.

It’s simply was it deliberate? They said yes.
 
It's not the call that's the problem. If they are the rules, they are the rules. If you cannot dish it out evenly (the blatant handball by the reds), then you either scrap the rules or you acknowledge the error and fix it immediately. This can't happen. Officials need to be on the same page (or they need to be held accountable for making biased decisions). Our league is corrupt as F though as you saw with the points deduction fiasco.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I mean that video shows four referees all agreeing that he's handled the ball deliberately. They felt in real time and on replay that it was an intentional playing of the ball and as such he can't use his arm, period.

I know we all disagree, but that's all there really is to it. And yes there will be other similar decisions where the referees decide it wasn't deliberate and yes you know which clubs will benefit from those. But it is probably time to move on.

And also stop playing Tarkowski because he's going to do this nonsense again.
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The problem is that they all agree when it's not a top 6 club but suddenly when it's one of the premier league's favourites a completely different standard is used.

It's inconsistent.
 

TheBigIguana said:
It’s not about the natural position! There are two rules, one position matters, one it doesn’t. This is the one it doesn’t.

It’s simply was it deliberate? They said yes.
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My issue with it is that instead of the stated law “moving the hand/arm towards the ball” they are now saying that merely leaning with your arms behind your back means you are deliberately trying to do a hand ball.

Which to me is nonsense, particularly as in this case it is a deflected shot.

Is Tarks trying to block the shot, yes as any defender should. But by having his arms behind his back he is trying to avoid it being his arms/hand that block it and trying instead for his chest/head that stops it. He doesn’t quite get there so it hits his arm very close to the top (wasn’t there a T shirt rule at one point, has that been reversed???). His lower arm actually goes further behind his back as he moves, clearly shown in the reverse view.

So is the rule now that defenders can block but they have to be entirely vertical whenever they do and not leaning at all?
 
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LinekersLegs said:
My issue with it is that instead of the stated law “moving the hand/arm towards the ball” they are now saying that merely leaning with your arms behind your back means you are deliberately trying to do a hand ball.

Which to me is nonsense, particularly as in this case it is a deflected shot.

Is Tarks trying to block the shot, yes as any defender should. But by having his arms behind his back he is trying to avoid it being his arms/hand that block it and trying instead for his chest/head that stops it. He doesn’t quite get there so it hits his arm very close to the top (wasn’t there a T shirt rule at one point, has that been reversed???). His lower arm actually goes further behind his back as he moves, clearly shown in the reverse view.

So is the rule now that defenders can block but they have to be entirely vertical whenever they do and not leaning at all?
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I think basically they’re saying if you try to block a shot and have time to react it can’t hit your arm. Since his block is deliberate where it hits him is considered deliberate. I’m under no illusion that it won’t be enforced like that consistently.
 
I had no issue with the penalty being given. He tried to get his body in position to chest it away, failed and then moved his arm towards the ball and made contact with it, which was plain stupid as Pickford would have saved it. The issue will be if the same thing happend at Chelsea, Man Utd, Mam City or the rs. I mean it's already happened to us with Rodri at Goodison. Consistency is the issue, not this penalty.
 
I think the biggest thing I took away from watching that video was how the VAR basically tries to manipulate the referee into whatever he decides. Also how quickly they just 'decide' something and focus in on their narrative.

I think in every instance the VAR and AVAR determine their narrative, then they tell the ref exactly what it is and that its really obvious, basically making it out hes a huge idiot if he doesnt call it as they tell him.

The real honest way to do it is identify the incident you think is the issue, making no comment on it, telling the referee you think its worth reviewing and just showing it to him. If he cant independently(though hes already influenced) come to the SAME conclusion you did without the leading, it surely wasnt clear and obvious.
 

While I don’t agree, I can see their point.
The biggest issue is another player will do it and the ref team will have a different opinion next time, esp if it’s Them, City, Arsenal etc.

They continue to demonstrate an inability to be consistent. That for me is the issue.

I also expect if that was an attacker and they control the ball or it deflected into a goal scoring opportunity, would they disallow the goal?
 

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